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Did the “enosis” agenda really justify Turkey’s reactions

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Postby Oracle » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:08 pm

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Murataga wrote: ...Mathematically we are less but politically we are not a minority.


The mouse that roared such nonsense, for an "equation".

So why are you so afraid of the political measure, called Democracy, if you are not a political minority?


Why are you so afraid of honouring your signature and word?


Isn't it the TCs who sacrificed liberty for "security", enclaved and enslaved to Turkey?
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Postby doesntmatter » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:35 pm

Oracle wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
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Murataga wrote: ...Mathematically we are less but politically we are not a minority.


The mouse that roared such nonsense, for an "equation".

So why are you so afraid of the political measure, called Democracy, if you are not a political minority?


Why are you so afraid of honouring your signature and word?


Isn't it the TCs who sacrificed liberty for "security", enclaved and enslaved to Turkey?


"liberty"? Now that is a big laugh. Are you a stand up comedian by any chance or are you practicing to become one?

You attempted to shove enosis down our throats by armed force and you want to call that "liberty"?

We have our liberty in the TRNC, it's only the brainwashed Greeks who think that we are "enslaved".

We would only be "enslaved" and forced to live in enclaves should we accept your type of "democracy".

Why didn't you honour your signature and word and opted to enslave yourselves to another foreign country and try to force us to do the same?
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:03 pm

You attempted to shove enosis down our throats by armed force and you want to call that "liberty"?


No mate, you are the ones who forced your rule down our throat. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't exist on our island to begin with. We never forced you to be a minority on our island.

The right of Cypriots for self-determination is exactly our right to democratically take decisions for our own island insted of having some invader forcing his will down our throats.

We have our liberty in the TRNC, it's only the brainwashed Greeks who think that we are "enslaved".


What is enslaved is our land under foreign invaders.

We would only be "enslaved" and forced to live in enclaves should we accept your type of "democracy".


The only ones who invade and enslave others is non else than the invading Turks. The Cypriot people all they want is freedom and democracy. We have other minorities in Cyprus, you are not the only ones, they respect us, and we respect them and the democracy in the free part of Cyprus is 100 times better than what they have in Turkey.

Why didn't you honour your signature and word and opted to enslave yourselves to another foreign country and try to force us to do the same?


Enslave ourselves? Mate, we democratically chose to be part of Greece and we would be equal citizens of the Greek Republic. Unlike the slave subjects that we have been under Ottoman or British empires, which ruled Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.
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Postby doesntmatter » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:05 pm

Piratis wrote:
You attempted to shove enosis down our throats by armed force and you want to call that "liberty"?


No mate, you are the ones who forced your rule down our throat. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't exist on our island to begin with. We never forced you to be a minority on our island.

The right of Cypriots for self-determination is exactly our right to democratically take decisions for our own island insted of having some invader forcing his will down our throats.

We have our liberty in the TRNC, it's only the brainwashed Greeks who think that we are "enslaved".


What is enslaved is our land under foreign invaders.

We would only be "enslaved" and forced to live in enclaves should we accept your type of "democracy".


The only ones who invade and enslave others is non else than the invading Turks. The Cypriot people all they want is freedom and democracy. We have other minorities in Cyprus, you are not the only ones, they respect us, and we respect them and the democracy in the free part of Cyprus is 100 times better than what they have in Turkey.

Why didn't you honour your signature and word and opted to enslave yourselves to another foreign country and try to force us to do the same?


Enslave ourselves? Mate, we democratically chose to be part of Greece and we would be equal citizens of the Greek Republic. Unlike the slave subjects that we have been under Ottoman or British empires, which ruled Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.


Come back when you know what you are talking about. :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:27 pm

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Nikitas wrote:But Enosis has been achieved, between the north and Turkey, proving the pro Enosis sentiment of the TCs.


Really? Neither we, Turkey nor the rest of the world`s countries make any claim that the North is part of the Republic of Turkey.


Of course not. What the world says is that the north Cyprus is part of Republic of Cyprus.

What Nikitas means is that north Cyprus is under the illegal occupation of Turkey. Even the ECHR rulings hold Turkey as responsible for what happens in the territory of Cyprus they illegally occupy.

There is Republic of Cyprus which north Cyprus belongs, and then there is Turkey which illegally occupies this part of Cyprus. There is nothing else.

Who are you is just a minority in Cyprus and you do not own any particular region of the country.


Not according to the original RoC constitution, not according to your leaders, and not according to the rest of the world.


According to something which you can not change by force and is always true: Mathematics.


No, not really. There is no such thing as "minority" in Mathematics; there are less and/or less than or equal to. Minority is a political term established per historical, cultural, social, legal, etc. premise. Less does not necessarily imply minority in a union, region or a country. Mathematically we are less but politically we are not a minority.


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Minority: A relatively small group of people differing from others in society of which they are a part in race, religion, language or political persuasion.

http://consultation.hartlepool.gov.uk/i ... DwbNykHvOQ

Minority: The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion, or national origin from the dominant group.

http://www.diversity.hr.va.gov/glossary.htm

Minority- Term used to describe a group that represents a smaller percentage of the total population than another group or groups.

http://admin.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=43916
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Postby insan » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:11 pm

Piratis wrote:
Murataga wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Murataga wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Murataga wrote:
Nikitas wrote:But Enosis has been achieved, between the north and Turkey, proving the pro Enosis sentiment of the TCs.


Really? Neither we, Turkey nor the rest of the world`s countries make any claim that the North is part of the Republic of Turkey.


Of course not. What the world says is that the north Cyprus is part of Republic of Cyprus.

What Nikitas means is that north Cyprus is under the illegal occupation of Turkey. Even the ECHR rulings hold Turkey as responsible for what happens in the territory of Cyprus they illegally occupy.

There is Republic of Cyprus which north Cyprus belongs, and then there is Turkey which illegally occupies this part of Cyprus. There is nothing else.

Who are you is just a minority in Cyprus and you do not own any particular region of the country.


Not according to the original RoC constitution, not according to your leaders, and not according to the rest of the world.


According to something which you can not change by force and is always true: Mathematics.


No, not really. There is no such thing as "minority" in Mathematics; there are less and/or less than or equal to. Minority is a political term established per historical, cultural, social, legal, etc. premise. Less does not necessarily imply minority in a union, region or a country. Mathematically we are less but politically we are not a minority.


:roll:

Minority: A relatively small group of people differing from others in society of which they are a part in race, religion, language or political persuasion.

http://consultation.hartlepool.gov.uk/i ... DwbNykHvOQ

Minority: The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion, or national origin from the dominant group.

http://www.diversity.hr.va.gov/glossary.htm

Minority- Term used to describe a group that represents a smaller percentage of the total population than another group or groups.

http://admin.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=43916



So... 49.9 % GCs vs 50.09 TCs still the GCs minority in Cyprus? :roll:
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