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[Get Real!]

If you see your little brother or sister getting a kicking by a bunch of bullies I can only assume that you'd go to her aid and slap a few of them. That's exactly what happend after Turkey waited for you to stop, you didn't stop until you got slapped.

Oh dear we're going around in circles... so why did the loving older brother push you into this fight in the first place then?

[Murataga]

If you see your little brother or sister getting a kicking by a bunch of bullies I can only assume that you'd go to her aid and slap a few of them. That's exactly what happend after Turkey waited for you to stop, you didn't stop until you got slapped.

Oh dear we're going around in circles... so why did the loving older brother push you into this fight in the first place then?

Push us into the fight? You have to be kidding... What did you think we were going to do as the TCs ? Sit back and watch you hand off our island and us in it to Greece ? Do you think we would not have fought to prevent ENOSIS and have done so to make people in Turkey happy? If so, you could not be more detached from reality. If it is anything, it is us who pulled them in, not the other way around. We would have sided even with Vatican City if necessary let alone Turkey or Britain to prevent ENOSIS.

The fact of the matter is that it is we the TCs that have stabbed the cold knife into the heart of ENOSIS and still keep it in there. We proudly take all the credit for it on any day of the week. It is because of us that what used to be your grand objective is today something that you can not even talk about. And even more importantly, unless you manage to kill every TC on this island: you will never make it a Greek one - be there anyone else to back us up or not.

[Get Real!]

If you see your little brother or sister getting a kicking by a bunch of bullies I can only assume that you'd go to her aid and slap a few of them. That's exactly what happend after Turkey waited for you to stop, you didn't stop until you got slapped.

Oh dear we're going around in circles... so why did the loving older brother push you into this fight in the first place then?

Push us into the fight? You have to be kidding... What did you think we were going to do as the TCs ? Sit back and watch you hand off our island and us in it to Greece ? Do you think we would not have fought to prevent ENOSIS and have done so to make people in Turkey happy? If so, you could not be more detached from reality. If it is anything, it is us who pulled them in, not the other way around. We would have sided even with Vatican City if necessary let alone Turkey or Britain to prevent ENOSIS.

The fact of the matter is that it is we the TCs that have stabbed the cold knife into the heart of ENOSIS and still keep it in there. We proudly take all the credit for it on any day of the week. It is because of us that what used to be your grand objective is today something that you can not even talk about. And even more importantly, unless you manage to kill every TC on this island: you will never make it a Greek one - be there anyone else to back us up or not.

It’s the thread’s MAIN article you should be concentrating on and not my exchanges with a goofball who thinks he is clever.

[Nikitas]

But Enosis has been achieved, between the north and Turkey, proving the pro Enosis sentiment of the TCs.

[Nikitas]

"On two occasions serious efforts were made for this minority to be transferred back to their homeland"

When were these attempts made and by whom?

[Piratis]

Push us into the fight? You have to be kidding... What did you think we were going to do as the TCs ? Sit back and watch you hand off our island and us in it to Greece ?

Union with Greece was a right for the Cypriot people if this is what they would have chosen in a democratic referendum. We have been asking for a democratic peaceful referendum so the Cypriot people could decide in a democratic and peaceful way the destiny of their own island, but this was denied to us by the British and the Turks.

The UN resolution about de-colonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to choose in a democratic way.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Therefore a referendum for the union of Cyprus with Greece was our legitimate right. And nobody said that you should just "Sit back and watch", you could have voted in that referendum as well.

Unfortunately it seem that it was all fine for you if Cyprus was part of the British or Ottoman empires, but becoming part of the Greek state, which was the desire of the vast majority of Cypriots themselves, was a reason for you to attack us and start yet another war against us with the aim to deny to us our rights and have unfair gains on our expense.

If the Cypriot people had democratically chosen union with Greece, then the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus would continue to live on this island as they used to live under Ottoman or British rule, but this time as free equal citizens of the state they democratically chose to be part of, and not as subjects of a foreign empire impose on them by force.

This is what happened in Rhodes island a few years earlier (1947) when it was united with the rest of Greece and the Greek majority and Turkish minority continues to live there in the way they lived during the Ottoman and Italian rule. No conflicts, no wars, no suffering. Just an island with mostly Greek inhabitants (like Cyprus) and a Greek history spanning 1000s of years (like Cyprus) being de-colonized from foreign rulers and joining the Greek state along with the rest of Greeks. What more natural?

[Murataga]

Push us into the fight? You have to be kidding... What did you think we were going to do as the TCs ? Sit back and watch you hand off our island and us in it to Greece ?

Union with Greece was a right for the Cypriot people if this is what they would have chosen in a democratic referendum. We have been asking for a democratic peaceful referendum so the Cypriot people could decide in a democratic and peaceful way the destiny of their own island, but this was denied to us by the British and the Turks.

The UN resolution about de-colonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to choose in a democratic way.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Therefore a referendum for the union of Cyprus with Greece was our legitimate right. And nobody said that you should just "Sit back and watch", you could have voted in that referendum as well.

Unfortunately it seem that it was all fine for you if Cyprus was part of the British or Ottoman empires, but becoming part of the Greek state, which was the desire of the vast majority of Cypriots themselves, was a reason for you to attack us and start yet another war against us with the aim to deny to us our rights and have unfair gains on our expense.

If the Cypriot people had democratically chosen union with Greece, then the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus would continue to live on this island as they used to live under Ottoman or British rule, but this time as free equal citizens of the state they democratically chose to be part of, and not as subjects of a foreign empire impose on them by force.

This is what happened in Rhodes island a few years earlier (1947) when it was united with the rest of Greece and the Greek majority and Turkish minority continues to live there in the way they lived during the Ottoman and Italian rule. No conflicts, no wars, no suffering. Just an island with mostly Greek inhabitants (like Cyprus) and a Greek history spanning 1000s of years (like Cyprus) being de-colonized from foreign rulers and joining the Greek state along with the rest of Greeks. What more natural?

There is no such thing - just like there is no Thracian people or Aegean people. In fact there is not even a use of the phrase "Cypriot people" or the word "people" in the original RoC constitution either. There are two communities in Cyprus with neither having any right to enforce hegemony or sovereignity over the other via any means let alone one handing the other`s citizenship and rights to another country. This, in fact, is why you got the middle finger from the U.N. when you made the request to put ENOSIS to referandum and have its result be legitimized.

[Piratis]

Push us into the fight? You have to be kidding... What did you think we were going to do as the TCs ? Sit back and watch you hand off our island and us in it to Greece ?

Union with Greece was a right for the Cypriot people if this is what they would have chosen in a democratic referendum. We have been asking for a democratic peaceful referendum so the Cypriot people could decide in a democratic and peaceful way the destiny of their own island, but this was denied to us by the British and the Turks.

The UN resolution about de-colonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options" for the people being decolonized to choose in a democratic way.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Therefore a referendum for the union of Cyprus with Greece was our legitimate right. And nobody said that you should just "Sit back and watch", you could have voted in that referendum as well.

Unfortunately it seem that it was all fine for you if Cyprus was part of the British or Ottoman empires, but becoming part of the Greek state, which was the desire of the vast majority of Cypriots themselves, was a reason for you to attack us and start yet another war against us with the aim to deny to us our rights and have unfair gains on our expense.

If the Cypriot people had democratically chosen union with Greece, then the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus would continue to live on this island as they used to live under Ottoman or British rule, but this time as free equal citizens of the state they democratically chose to be part of, and not as subjects of a foreign empire impose on them by force.

This is what happened in Rhodes island a few years earlier (1947) when it was united with the rest of Greece and the Greek majority and Turkish minority continues to live there in the way they lived during the Ottoman and Italian rule. No conflicts, no wars, no suffering. Just an island with mostly Greek inhabitants (like Cyprus) and a Greek history spanning 1000s of years (like Cyprus) being de-colonized from foreign rulers and joining the Greek state along with the rest of Greeks. What more natural?

There is no such thing - just like there is no Thracian people or Aegean people. In fact there is not even a use of the phrase "Cypriot people" or the word "people" in the original RoC constitution either. There are two communities in Cyprus with neither having any right to enforce hegemony or sovereignity over the other via any means let alone one handing the other`s citizenship and rights to another country. This, in fact, is why you got the middle finger from the U.N. when you made the request to put ENOSIS to referandum and have its result be legitimized.

The Cypriot people are the native people of Cyprus who existed on this island for way way before any Turk set their foot on our island.

Our request for Enosis was rejected by the British who are members of the UN Security Council. Very convinient for them using the UN to serve their own interests, don't you think?

And then instead of allowing the Cypriot people to democratically decided the destiny of their own island they forced on us the 1960 Constitution and granted to the TC minority unfair privileges on our expense as a reward for you attacking us and helping them to oppress our revolution for freedom and self-determination.

[Murataga]

But Enosis has been achieved, between the north and Turkey, proving the pro Enosis sentiment of the TCs.

Really? Neither we, Turkey nor the rest of the world`s countries make any claim that the North is part of the Republic of Turkey.

[Piratis]

But Enosis has been achieved, between the north and Turkey, proving the pro Enosis sentiment of the TCs.

Really? Neither we, Turkey nor the rest of the world`s countries make any claim that the North is part of the Republic of Turkey.

Of course not. What the world says is that the north Cyprus is part of Republic of Cyprus.

What Nikitas means is that north Cyprus is under the illegal occupation of Turkey. Even the ECHR rulings hold Turkey as responsible for what happens in the territory of Cyprus they illegally occupy.

There is Republic of Cyprus which north Cyprus belongs, and then there is Turkey which illegally occupies this part of Cyprus. There is nothing else.

Who are you is just a minority in Cyprus and you do not own any particular region of the country.