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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:32 pm

halil wrote:Deniz ,
Summer time we can get it for you .

strongly i recomment you the books called Dağarcık I,II by Kutlu Adali.

İ will post them to Mr Tim Drayton as soon as i get them from Işık Kitap evi .

lot's of nostalji and information about our culture and history before 1963 too .



Thanks Halil.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:35 pm

iceman wrote:
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iceman wrote:halil
I have a copy of that book..


me too .


Can you please give me more details of this book so I can try and get it.
Do they have ISBN numbers?


Deniz
ISBN # is 975-6653-15-9

full name of the book is
"Names of the locations of CYPRUS lost in depths of 2500 years of history"



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Thanks Iceman.

Did you manage to obtain the Stylianou book, 'The History of the Cartography of Cyprus'?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:45 am

samarkeolog wrote:
YFred wrote:If you have any maps of any country with cyprus villages please share them.


Oracle wrote:Whether it is of or from makes no difference to your inference that there are more than one countries which have Cyprus villages.

It's not the grammar I am querying but your Geography!

Care to explain this yourself, or is this another of your stupidities that someone else (more rational than Zan :lol: ) has to come along and rescue your from?


Oracle wrote:Listen Turkish YFront.

If you are going to come here and post, you had better get your facts right.

Now, which country other than the RoC has "Cyprus villages"?

Admit you made a mistake or explain yourself, you debating coward!


First, you can use "of" to show ownership in English - the queen of England is England's queen, the English queen, the queen from England (or Germany ;) ), so it would be a very small, easy-to-make mistake for anyone.

Second, in Turkish, you could say, 'if you have any maps of any country with cyprus villages please share them [sizde bir ülkenin Kıbrıs köyleri haritaları varsa onları paylaşın]' (although my poor reverse translation is probably wrong), because the way of showing ownership - "this country's", "of this country", "from this country" - can be written the same way. (My reverse translation would reverse reverse translate back into English as "if you have a[ny] country's maps of Cyprus's villages share them".) So it really was a freak occurrence that in this particular case it didn't translate. Do you react so cattily to absolutely everything?

(I edited it to correct my Turkish, but if you want the "with" from his original sentence as well, it would be in my original 'sizde bir ülkenin Kıbrıs köyleri taşıyan haritaları varsa onları paylaşın'.)


It wasn't the grammar I was querying, but his Geography. Although the grammar seems to be all anyone wanted to discuss :roll:

Just follow him around to make sure you can explain away his other clangers!
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Postby YFred » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:07 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
iceman wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
iceman wrote:halil
I have a copy of that book..


me too .


Can you please give me more details of this book so I can try and get it.
Do they have ISBN numbers?


Deniz
ISBN # is 975-6653-15-9

full name of the book is
"Names of the locations of CYPRUS lost in depths of 2500 years of history"



References;
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Thanks Iceman.

Did you manage to obtain the Stylianou book, 'The History of the Cartography of Cyprus'?


I found this book very usefull, lots of references to Dali, Potamya and Isozomeno vilages.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n1Tm ... 1-PA189,M1

The only downside is it costs 135 pounds.

Regards
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Postby haplessboyrussell » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:38 pm

Maybe this needs a seperate thread, but why did the Brits rename "Lefkosia" as "Nicosia". Was there any historical use of "Nicosia" or did the Brits just pluck it out of nowhere because they thought it sounded good?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:14 am

It was NOT the British who changed the name. Maps of 1571 also have the name Nicosia. Perhaps the Local Cypriots used the name of Lefkosia and their masters the Latins used the name Nicosia as it suited ther language more. Perhaps other forumers will come up with something else.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:38 am

denizaksulu wrote:It was NOT the British who changed the name. Maps of 1571 also have the name Nicosia. Perhaps the Local Cypriots used the name of Lefkosia and their masters the Latins used the name Nicosia as it suited ther language more. Perhaps other forumers will come up with something else.


World66 wrote:Nicosia was first inhabited over 5000 years ago. It was first known as Ledra during the Hellenistic period, but later the name was changed to Lefkothea under the Ptolemists. Till the Middle Ages the city was only known by the Greek name of Lefkosia; when Cyprus came under Latin rule it was renamed Nicosia but the Greek population continued calling it Lefkosia. As a result of Arab raids on the island after the 8th Cebtury, many people abandoned the coastal areas to seek refuge inland; it was during this period that Lefkosia (Nicosia) became capital of Cyprus. The Patron Saint of the city is Saint Tryfilios, the first Bishop of the island. Along with the rest of the island, Nicosia continued to pass through different hands.
The Knights, the Lusignans, including Cyprus's last queen, Katerina Kornaro, developed the culture and architecture of the city, while the Venetians fortified it by building new walls. Nicosia was then taken over by the Ottoman Turks in 1570 and its development languished. The Turks called it by its Greek name of Lefkosia and over the years this developed into its current Turkish pronunciation of Lefkos(h)a. In 1878 the administration of the island was taken over by the British and the capital flourished and developed its European character; churches were built and first public schools were founded. Government buildings and court houses were built as well as new roads and the city expanded outside the walls. Now Nicosia became the commercial centre of the country and the zone around Ledra Street was the busiest.

In August 1959 Cyprus was declared an independent Republic. In 1964 the city was divided when Turksih Cypriots barricaded themselves into their neighbourhoods after a brief intercommunal conflict. This division line was called the 'green line'. In July 1974, a coup by extremist Greek officers with close links to Greece conducted a coup against the government which was at the time presided by Archbishop Makarios. They set up a puppet regime and Makarios fled the island aided by the British who maintain two bases on Cyprus. Turkey used this situation as a pretext to invade the island, using a clause in the treaty of estabslihment of the Republic of Cyprus, allowing the guarantor powers (Greece, Turkey, UK) to intervene to restore the status quo if the constitution was under threat. Not only did Turkey not restore the status quo ante, it created a total division of the island, occupying 38% of its territory and forcing the vast majority of the population from the occupied territory to move south; since then Nicosia is de facto divided into two parts.

For many years Greeks were not allowed to cross over to the north but in recent years the Turkish authorities are permitting this.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:47 am

Thanks for the confirmation of what I said Oracle mou.

I cant help but notice the extra bit of information you kept there. Very thoughtful of you. :roll:
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Postby iceman » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:59 am

"Nicosia" appeared with the arrival of the Lusignans. The "Frankish" Crusaders either could not, or did not care to, pronounce the name Lefkosia, and tended to say "Nicosia"
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:03 am

[quote="iceman"]"Nicosia" appeared with the arrival of the Lusignans. The "Frankish" Crusaders either could not, or did not care to, pronounce the name Lefkosia, and tended to say "Nicosia"[/quote]


Lazy beggars. :lol:
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