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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:32 pm

pappy_sydney wrote:Piratis said

If you were born and live in Cyprus (were you?), from Cypriot parents (are they?) and your mother tongue is Greek (is it?) and from what I gather you are even a Greek Orthodox Cristian, and somehow you believe you are not Greek, then that is abnormal in my opinion, but it is your right. You can identify yourself as "Chirokitian" or anything else you want, but you should also recognize the right to everybody else to identify as they wish as well. The vast majority of Cypriots are Greek, even if you are not, and you should recognize this fact.


well said piratis..the 3 stooges Get Real Miltiades and Free_Cyprus are 3 alleged Greeks who deny their own identity.....we are proud Greeks but of course we are proud to say we are Cypriots from Cyprus as well just like a Cretan is proud to say they are from Crete or a Sicilian is proud to say they are from Sicily

...and the Australian is proud to say he is “British-Australian”, and the American is proud to say he is “British-American” after a WHOPPING 200 years of being dropped off there! :lol:

Go back to sleep the both of you…
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Postby pappy_sydney » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:25 pm

Get Real! said

...and the Australian is proud to say he is “British-Australian”, and the American is proud to say he is “British-American” after a WHOPPING 200 years of being dropped off there! Laughing

Go back to sleep the both of you…


would be funny if it didnt show your lack of knowledge of history and intelligence....... the difference is Cypriots have always been Greeks and still are, Australia and the USA were colonised and are immigrant countries where people forged a new identity and wanted to escape the poverty etc. of the old country. Cyprus is not like this at all....Cyprus is like Bosnia where you have Bosnian Serbs etc....you dont see Serbs there denying who they are !!!!!!
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Postby zan » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:45 pm

pappy_sydney wrote:Get Real! said

...and the Australian is proud to say he is “British-Australian”, and the American is proud to say he is “British-American” after a WHOPPING 200 years of being dropped off there! Laughing

Go back to sleep the both of you…


would be funny if it didnt show your lack of knowledge of history and intelligence....... the difference is Cypriots have always been Greeks and still are, Australia and the USA were colonised and are immigrant countries where people forged a new identity and wanted to escape the poverty etc. of the old country. Cyprus is not like this at all....Cyprus is like Bosnia where you have Bosnian Serbs etc....you dont see Serbs there denying who they are !!!!!!

BIOLOGICAL REGIONALISM ON NEOLITHIC CYPRUS

Prehistoric Cyprus offers a unique area of study to observe social and biological changes through time. Archaeological fieldwork carried out on the island for decades has described Cyprus as a culturally isolated island from initial colonisation during the Pre-Pottery Neolithic (8000 BC) until the Early Bronze Age (2300 BC). This research project seeks to determine if this cultural isolation is reflected in the human remains from the same time periods.
Human skeletal remains of approximately sixty individuals were studied and standard anthropological data was collected from the human remains including minimum number of individuals, age at death, sex of individuals, stature and dental non-metric traits. The data from the dental non-metric traits was used to determine the biological affinities of the ancient Cypriots. The human remains came from the Neolithic sites of Kissonerga-Mylouthkia located at the Paphos Museum, Kalavasos-Tenta at the Larnaca District Museum, Sotira-Teppes at the Limassol District Museum, Agios Savvas tis Karonis Monasteri and the Chalcolithic site of Choletria Ortos, both at the Kouklia Archaeological Museum in the Paphos District. These sites range in time from the Neolithic (c.7300 BC) to the Chalcolithic (c.3000 BC) and are located in the west, south and east parts of the island. Most of the remains come from burials, but the bones from Kissonerga-Mylouthkia come from refuse inside one the oldest wells found on Cyprus.

Non-metric traits are genetically determined and can be used to assess biological affinities (or biological composition) between groups. For this research, teeth were examined. They are particularly useful to study because they are made of enamel and dentine, which are more durable than bone, and have a greater chance of surviving in the archaeological record. Most dental non-metric traits occur as a pit, groove or even extra cusps or roots. Recording these traits does not require any special tools but does require training in identification. An example of some of the dental non-metric traits identified from the site of Agios Savvas is shown above. The photograph shows the maxilla with a number of teeth. The first molar has a Carabelli cusp trait and the second incisor shows the shovelling trait.

Early results indicate a total of 24 different dental non-metric traits. The number of traits per site ranged from 9 to 16. This suggests the biological affinities of the Neolithic Cypriots were local in character. In other words, since the most traits present at one site is only 16 this suggests the inhabitants were selecting mates closer to where they live. In addition, some traits are present only in certain parts of the island, suggesting local regionalism during the Neolithic. Even though Cyprus is a relatively small island it is unclear whether geographical or cultural barriers caused this regionalism. Although the samples this data are based on are small, it still shows a healthy gene pool for the Cypriot Neolithic.

Cranial deformation was a common cultural practice from the mainland and has been documented on Cyprus during the Neolithic. A skull from Kissonerga-Mylouthkia (shown above) with extra cranial sutures shows evidence for the presence for artificial cranial deformation. Even though cranial deformation is a cultural practice and is not a biological trait, it is still useful in identifying the different social customs on the island and how this affects the distribution of dental non-metric traits.
An important idea this research raises is that the total number of traits on Cyprus may be an indication of immigrants from more than one area of the mainland and possibly at different times. If the Neolithic Cypriots are from different parts of the mainland this may explain the basis for the regionalism identified on the island that was then carried through to the Chalcolithic.

Acknowledgements
I am grateful to the Prehistoric Society for supporting this research through the Research Fund award. I also wish to thank Dr. John Robb, University of Cambridge, for his letter on my behalf. Special thanks goes to the director of the Department of Antiquities of Cyprus, Pavlos Florentzos, for his permission to allow access to the various skeletal collections last summer.

Dr Zissis Parras,
Anthropology Department, Wilfrid Laurier University, Canada.
Email: [email protected]


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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:46 pm

pappy_sydney wrote:Get Real! said

...and the Australian is proud to say he is “British-Australian”, and the American is proud to say he is “British-American” after a WHOPPING 200 years of being dropped off there! Laughing

Go back to sleep the both of you…

would be funny if it didnt show your lack of knowledge of history and intelligence....... the difference is Cypriots have always been Greeks and still are, Australia and the USA were colonised and are immigrant countries where people forged a new identity and wanted to escape the poverty etc. of the old country. Cyprus is not like this at all....Cyprus is like Bosnia where you have Bosnian Serbs etc....you dont see Serbs there denying who they are !!!!!!

I’d like to see you prove that and wish you luck because you’ll need it.

Your "logic" is selectively child-like. The Americans and Australians have REAL British descendants yet they abandoned the word "British" within a couple of centuries yet a country like Cyprus with its 10,000 year history is (according to you and others) obliged to carry the "Greek" name for eternity because some people say so!

Forget it mate! :lol:
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Postby pappy_sydney » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:04 pm

get real said

I’d like to see you prove that and wish you luck because you’ll need it.


there is nothing to prove, we are GREEK cypriots, thats a fact of life !!!! australia or the US were discovered "new" lands, cypriots and their greekness have always been there...
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:15 pm

pappy_sydney wrote:get real said

I’d like to see you prove that and wish you luck because you’ll need it.


there is nothing to prove, we are GREEK cypriots, thats a fact of life !!!! australia or the US were discovered "new" lands, cypriots and their greekness have always been there...


What were Greeks called in the Neolithic Age :? :roll: :lol:
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:51 pm

Show some respect to the choirokiians who were the founders of this island 8)
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Postby insan » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:33 am

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Deniz ... before you go any further .... do you have any evidence that Enosis was the goal for the Junta?

:lol:


I take it you don't have any either, other than speculation by the TCs and excuses from Turkey to justify their invasion.

Why would they merely over-throw Makarios and plant another Cypriot as President, keeping it as a republic if their aim was Enosis?

They would not have replaced the President, but just declared us as part of Greece. This, they never did!


Hello Oracle, i highly recommend u to visit www.cyprus-conflict.net. There u will get all the details abt events of 15th of July till 15th of August. Onwards and backwards as well. For a comprehensive analyze of the events u also need to undertsnad the relations of Western alliance which Greece and Turkey r 2 memebers of it. Globalization, Nato, Megali Idea, Fascism, Leftism, Cold War, Religious Traditions, Enosis, Taksim, US foreign policy and its priorities, historical background of Turks and Hellenes r the keywords u need.

Cheers ;d and im waiting Bananiot and u to come visit me :)



Thanks for trying to point me towards more information. :D But it is the analysis of that information which is skewed/suspect, subject as it is, to the interpretation of all and sundry, whose leanings I may not be familiar with.

Here on the forum, I have a fair idea of where an opinion is coming from, and the type of thinking behind it :wink: .

So when I want to speculate on something ... such as the junta not seeking the long-spouted view of Enosis, but instead, merely seeking a replacement towards a more "favoured" (on their part) Cypriot President .... I can more readily bin certain ideas, or take others on board.

Regarding a tryst for us moderate trio: Let's see what you think in a few more months-worth of postings, before we arrange to meet. You may decide you'd rather not :lol:


İt seem a bit late for me to reply this message but just caught it when browsing the threads. However i feel like u have already changed ur mind abt me. :wink: I'm underlining it dear Oracle u have a misperception abt me. I put forward my points of view according to my knowledge and logic. Anyway u r free to fit them any category u wish.
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