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[Oracle]

Cyprus is a natural extension of the Greek world, from the time of its inception!

Maybe it's time we had a little chat about those uni qualifications...

That is a fact!

Just as is: Cyprus is an Independent Country.

If you have personal unresolved issues to deny facts, take them up with your therapist.

Here's a challenge for you... prove this statement wrong:

"The whole world is a natural extension of Cyprus"

No! .... I like it

The reason it cannot be proven wrong is because Cyprus is a country and therefore a natural geological extension of every other country out there, but had I said “Cypriots are a natural extension of the world” then it would’ve been as laughable as claiming that Greeks are a natural extension…

“Greeks” and “Cypriots” are NOT natural but a man-invented branding of an assumed belonging… and that should put to rest your assumed “Greekness” of Cypriots because it IS after all a VOLUNTARY belonging not natural.

And with this post I say goodnight to all until tomorrow…

Yes dear! ... Go and have some Retsina and lighten up!

(You missed the metaphorical reference to a "Greek world" ... perhaps believing there really is one ... the clue to man-made was in "inception".)

Ergo: The point I made that Cyprus was a part of the Greek world from the time of its inception ... still stands as fact!

[zan]

Cyprus is a natural extension of the Greek world, from the time of its inception!

Maybe it's time we had a little chat about those uni qualifications...

That is a fact!

Just as is: Cyprus is an Independent Country.

If you have personal unresolved issues to deny facts, take them up with your therapist.

Here's a challenge for you... prove this statement wrong:

"The whole world is a natural extension of Cyprus"

No! .... I like it

The reason it cannot be proven wrong is because Cyprus is a country and therefore a natural geological extension of every other country out there, but had I said “Cypriots are a natural extension of the world” then it would’ve been as laughable as claiming that Greeks are a natural extension…

“Greeks” and “Cypriots” are NOT natural but a man-invented branding of an assumed belonging… and that should put to rest your assumed “Greekness” of Cypriots because it IS after all a VOLUNTARY belonging not natural.

And with this post I say goodnight to all until tomorrow…

Yes dear! ... Go and have some Retsina and lighten up!

(You missed the metaphorical reference to a "Greek world" ... perhaps believing there really is one ... the clue to man-made was in "inception".)

Ergo: The point I made that Cyprus was a part of the Greek world from the time of its inception ... still stands as fact!

Are you now telling us that the first settlers on Cyprus were Greek...... Must of been the blue wooly mammoth skin that were available at the time....

[Oracle]

I'm not telling you anything Zan!

That was an academic discussion between myself and GR! and quite clearly beyond your rodential reasoning powers .....

Anatolian attempts to stir and sow bad seeds are falling on deaf ears

GR! is a Greek in denial, as happens to the best of us, from time to time; the burden of proof and pathos being too much to bare, hence his timely exit for some of Dionysus' best restoratives.

(Dionysus, like our dear GR! unsure also, of his "ethnic" origins )

[zan]

I'm not telling you anything Zan!

That was an academic discussion between myself and GR! and quite clearly beyond your rodential reasoning powers .....

Anatolian attempts to stir and sow bad seeds are falling on deaf ears

GR! is a Greek in denial, as happens to the best of us, from time to time; the burden of proof and pathos being too much to bare, hence his timely exit for some of Dionysus' best restoratives.

(Dionysus, like our dear GR! unsure also, of his "ethnic" origins )

You are the one confused dear.......You actually think you are a Cypriot......

[Nikitas]

Zan, you are confused when you say:

"you change from "Nothing would change for TUrkey" to this poor excuse... "

Look at the map. The Aegean does not extend southeast of Rhodos to Cyprus. Cyprus has its own Continental shelf and EEZ and a 12 mile territorial waters limit and the situation has no bearing on the Aegean.

The issue in the Aegean is different. Turkey unilaterally claims tha the Law of the Sea, which Turkey applies in its northern and southern shores, somehow does not apply in the Aegean. In effect Turkey is saying that Greece cannot exploit the major portion of its coast line in the way Turkey has exploited its own coasts north and south.

[Oracle]

Deniz ... before you go any further .... do you have any evidence that Enosis was the goal for the Junta?

I take it you don't have any either, other than speculation by the TCs and excuses from Turkey to justify their invasion.

Why would they merely over-throw Makarios and plant another Cypriot as President, keeping it as a republic if their aim was Enosis?

They would not have replaced the President, but just declared us as part of Greece. This, they never did!

Hello Oracle, i highly recommend u to visit www.cyprus-conflict.net. There u will get all the details abt events of 15th of July till 15th of August. Onwards and backwards as well. For a comprehensive analyze of the events u also need to undertsnad the relations of Western alliance which Greece and Turkey r 2 memebers of it. Globalization, Nato, Megali Idea, Fascism, Leftism, Cold War, Religious Traditions, Enosis, Taksim, US foreign policy and its priorities, historical background of Turks and Hellenes r the keywords u need.

Cheers ;d and im waiting Bananiot and u to come visit me

Thanks for trying to point me towards more information. But it is the analysis of that information which is skewed/suspect, subject as it is, to the interpretation of all and sundry, whose leanings I may not be familiar with.

Here on the forum, I have a fair idea of where an opinion is coming from, and the type of thinking behind it .

So when I want to speculate on something ... such as the junta not seeking the long-spouted view of Enosis, but instead, merely seeking a replacement towards a more "favoured" (on their part) Cypriot President .... I can more readily bin certain ideas, or take others on board.

Regarding a tryst for us moderate trio: Let's see what you think in a few more months-worth of postings, before we arrange to meet. You may decide you'd rather not

[Paphitis]

Oracle wrote:

That was an academic discussion between myself and GR! and quite clearly beyond your rodential reasoning powers .....

Oracle? You've been drinking haven't you?

[zan]

Zan, you are confused when you say:

"you change from "Nothing would change for TUrkey" to this poor excuse... "

Look at the map. The Aegean does not extend southeast of Rhodos to Cyprus. Cyprus has its own Continental shelf and EEZ and a 12 mile territorial waters limit and the situation has no bearing on the Aegean.

The issue in the Aegean is different. Turkey unilaterally claims tha the Law of the Sea, which Turkey applies in its northern and southern shores, somehow does not apply in the Aegean. In effect Turkey is saying that Greece cannot exploit the major portion of its coast line in the way Turkey has exploited its own coasts north and south.

Did you read the report in which the lack of FREE waters is mentioned....The fact that Greece will have control of the waters and says that it will have no problem with shipping that is "Peaceful" does nothing for you.....It will restrict the movement of Turkish troops and ships.....You seem to pick what you want out of this and ignore the truths....Turkey has interests in the region and that is all there is to it....It cannot afford to have Greece holding all the cards...Wake up people!!!

[pappy_sydney]

Piratis said

If you were born and live in Cyprus (were you?), from Cypriot parents (are they?) and your mother tongue is Greek (is it?) and from what I gather you are even a Greek Orthodox Cristian, and somehow you believe you are not Greek, then that is abnormal in my opinion, but it is your right. You can identify yourself as "Chirokitian" or anything else you want, but you should also recognize the right to everybody else to identify as they wish as well. The vast majority of Cypriots are Greek, even if you are not, and you should recognize this fact.

well said piratis..the 3 stooges Get Real Miltiades and Free_Cyprus are 3 alleged Greeks who deny their own identity.....we are proud Greeks but of course we are proud to say we are Cypriots from Cyprus as well just like a Cretan is proud to say they are from Crete or a Sicilian is proud to say they are from Sicily

[Oracle]

Piratis said

If you were born and live in Cyprus (were you?), from Cypriot parents (are they?) and your mother tongue is Greek (is it?) and from what I gather you are even a Greek Orthodox Cristian, and somehow you believe you are not Greek, then that is abnormal in my opinion, but it is your right. You can identify yourself as "Chirokitian" or anything else you want, but you should also recognize the right to everybody else to identify as they wish as well. The vast majority of Cypriots are Greek, even if you are not, and you should recognize this fact.

well said piratis..the 3 stooges Get Real Miltiades and Free_Cyprus are 3 alleged Greeks who deny their own identity.....we are proud Greeks but of course we are proud to say we are Cypriots from Cyprus as well just like a Cretan is proud to say they are from Crete or a Sicilian is proud to say they are from Sicily

Yes! ... and of course, many Sicilians are also Greek