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[samarkeolog]

I am not going to waste my time going through the 1960 Constitution line by line.

You don't have to. Some salient features which you loved about it, will do; plus anything that riles with democracy, according to what you "mean" by Democracy, of course.

That should do nicely.

BTW .... Is this yours?

http://samarkeolog.blogspot.com/

Well, people were getting attacked and killed, their homes and coffee shops were getting attacked. Anything that stops murder is at least quite nice, isn't it? I presume you want me to say that having community quotas and imbalances in government, public services, etc., are undemocratic. I would agree, but nationalist violence made the community guarantees essential. In Britain, our minorities don't have any special protections, but our nationalist extremists have never been our official representatives, and they have never been our government. In Cyprus, nationalist extremists became the government and the police, so their victims needed protection. The Constitution was so democratic it even let citizens vote for people who didn't like the Constitution! That's more democratic than Turkey's!

(Yes, that is my blog, though the research stuff is on http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspot.com and the site blogs listed on the left side of the page.)

[samarkeolog]

Samarkeolog I do not remember the exact date but here is the SG of AKEL Papaioannou condemning the attack:



By the way, the first Greek Cypriot that was killed by the Brits after the beginning of the EOKA struggle was Andreas Georgiou, killed on 29/9/1955. He was a member of PEO.

Ah, I didn't realise that was him in the photograph. I think the caption by my copy just says, "protest against the bombing" or something... Do you have Papaioannou's book too?

[Bananiot]

Yes I do my friend but I have not looked at it for a long time. I think it is of no particular value. Andreas Ziartides's (PEO leader) book, Andreas Fantis's (Deputy SG of AKEL) book and Costas Sophocleous's (Paphos Secretary) book are much better and more informative. You will find Makarios Droushiotis's books very refreshing too. A breath of fresh air I would say in a society that has suffered so much in the hands of the treacherous nationalists.

[Bananiot]

Here are a couple of pictures taken from Vanezos book on Dervis Ali Kavazoglu. He was speaking at Dali and it was a meeting for Greek and Turkish Cypriots. At the back, the village priest can just about be seen. Dali was a bastion of progressiveness. On the left of Kavazoglu you can see Mustafa Husein, his close friend and organiser of the meeting.

[Get Real!]

Samarkeolog I do not remember the exact date but here is the SG of AKEL Papaioannou condemning the attack:



By the way, the first Greek Cypriot that was killed by the Brits after the beginning of the EOKA struggle was Andreas Georgiou, killed on 29/9/1955. He was a member of PEO.

Is that Ezekias when he was young?

[samarkeolog]

Yes I do my friend but I have not looked at it for a long time. I think it is of no particular value. Andreas Ziartides's (PEO leader) book, Andreas Fantis's (Deputy SG of AKEL) book and Costas Sophocleous's (Paphos Secretary) book are much better and more informative. You will find Makarios Droushiotis's books very refreshing too. A breath of fresh air I would say in a society that has suffered so much in the hands of the treacherous nationalists.

Yes, I agree with you (although it was from that book I heard about the bombing of AKEL's Limassol office - and Turkish Cypriot extremists' looting and burning of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Sport and Cultural Club of Nicosia - so it did have some value for me).

I will check again (and again - and again...) but I don't think I can get Droushioti's books over here. Still, I hope I'll get them through a friend soon.

[Bananiot]

Some articles by Droushiotis in English:

http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-V=e ... ANGUAGE=en

and Turkish:

http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-V=t ... ANGUAGE=tr

[Oracle]

I am not going to waste my time going through the 1960 Constitution line by line.

You don't have to. Some salient features which you loved about it, will do; plus anything that riles with democracy, according to what you "mean" by Democracy, of course.

That should do nicely.

BTW .... Is this yours?

http://samarkeolog.blogspot.com/

Well, people were getting attacked and killed, their homes and coffee shops were getting attacked. Anything that stops murder is at least quite nice, isn't it? I presume you want me to say that having community quotas and imbalances in government, public services, etc., are undemocratic. I would agree, but nationalist violence made the community guarantees essential. In Britain, our minorities don't have any special protections, but our nationalist extremists have never been our official representatives, and they have never been our government. In Cyprus, nationalist extremists became the government and the police, so their victims needed protection. The Constitution was so democratic it even let citizens vote for people who didn't like the Constitution! That's more democratic than Turkey's!

(Yes, that is my blog, though the research stuff is on http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspot.com and the site blogs listed on the left side of the page.)

Basically what you are asserting, is that the TCs had to be given an inordinately larger share of the government than they were "entitled" to, in order to stop them attacking GCs and the infrastructure.

This you acknowledge is undemocratic, but was the only way to stop the violence started by the TCs to force the Brits to give them more in the Agreement.

Proof of this lies in the fact that once again, the violence was restarted by TCs when they feared these undemocratic extras may be removed,.

Thanks. You have confirmed what the Cyprus problem is all about.

TC greed at the expense of democracy.....

[denizaksulu]

I am not going to waste my time going through the 1960 Constitution line by line.

You don't have to. Some salient features which you loved about it, will do; plus anything that riles with democracy, according to what you "mean" by Democracy, of course.

That should do nicely.

BTW .... Is this yours?

http://samarkeolog.blogspot.com/

Well, people were getting attacked and killed, their homes and coffee shops were getting attacked. Anything that stops murder is at least quite nice, isn't it? I presume you want me to say that having community quotas and imbalances in government, public services, etc., are undemocratic. I would agree, but nationalist violence made the community guarantees essential. In Britain, our minorities don't have any special protections, but our nationalist extremists have never been our official representatives, and they have never been our government. In Cyprus, nationalist extremists became the government and the police, so their victims needed protection. The Constitution was so democratic it even let citizens vote for people who didn't like the Constitution! That's more democratic than Turkey's!

(Yes, that is my blog, though the research stuff is on http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspot.com and the site blogs listed on the left side of the page.)

Basically what you are asserting, is that the TCs had to be given an inordinately larger share of the government than they were "entitled" to, in order to stop them attacking GCs and the infrastructure.

This you acknowledge is undemocratic, but was the only way to stop the violence started by the TCs to force the Brits to give them more in the Agreement.

Proof of this lies in the fact that once again, the violence was restarted by TCs when they feared these undemocratic extras may be removed,.

Thanks. You have confirmed what the Cyprus problem is all about.

TC greed at the expense of democracy.....

You may call it whatever you like dear Oracle. We call it self-preservation. Do not begrudge us that. If the 'majority' were not going to protect us, it had to be ourselves. This was obvious when it came to the running of the Municipalities.

[Oracle]

I am not going to waste my time going through the 1960 Constitution line by line.

You don't have to. Some salient features which you loved about it, will do; plus anything that riles with democracy, according to what you "mean" by Democracy, of course.

That should do nicely.

BTW .... Is this yours?

http://samarkeolog.blogspot.com/

Well, people were getting attacked and killed, their homes and coffee shops were getting attacked. Anything that stops murder is at least quite nice, isn't it? I presume you want me to say that having community quotas and imbalances in government, public services, etc., are undemocratic. I would agree, but nationalist violence made the community guarantees essential. In Britain, our minorities don't have any special protections, but our nationalist extremists have never been our official representatives, and they have never been our government. In Cyprus, nationalist extremists became the government and the police, so their victims needed protection. The Constitution was so democratic it even let citizens vote for people who didn't like the Constitution! That's more democratic than Turkey's!

(Yes, that is my blog, though the research stuff is on http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspot.com and the site blogs listed on the left side of the page.)

Basically what you are asserting, is that the TCs had to be given an inordinately larger share of the government than they were "entitled" to, in order to stop them attacking GCs and the infrastructure.

This you acknowledge is undemocratic, but was the only way to stop the violence started by the TCs to force the Brits to give them more in the Agreement.

Proof of this lies in the fact that once again, the violence was restarted by TCs when they feared these undemocratic extras may be removed,.

Thanks. You have confirmed what the Cyprus problem is all about.

TC greed at the expense of democracy.....

You may call it whatever you like dear Oracle. We call it self-preservation. Do not begrudge us that. If the 'majority' were not going to protect us, it had to be ourselves. This was obvious when it came to the running of the Municipalities.

When most other groups demand Democracy to live a meaningful life, the TCs demand to over-ride it.

It's not just the Turks that have a problem with Democracy then!