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How dare you Deniz and the rest of the TCs.

[Oracle]

This enclave / exclave mentality intrigues me; speaking as one who relishes freedom and minimal restrictions on global (let alone local) movement.It's not enough anymore, for the TCs to claim they set-up these enclaves under duress, and because of threats from GCs.  That something sinister was being cooked is now a fact ... i.e. the role of the enclaves in roller-coasting the destruction by Turkish invasion of Cyprus.The mentality of Islamic followers may be at the root of this "back to the womb", get away from the corrupting influences of infidels etc ... "we shall proclaim a section of Earth that is free from Christians by setting up enclaves from where we will gain communal strength",  .... to brew and hatch strength for planned incursions to expand outwards from an inner core of strength, perhaps.  Anyway, just thinking aloud     because it seems the Oil Rich Arab states that want the Tourist dollars and Euros, but do not want the influence of the Western-freedom-seekers, seem to be setting up more and more such enclaves ...   So TCs .. kindly do not blame the GCs for you, resorting to setting up something for your own gain and interests!

Dear Oracle. Can I, on behalf of all Turkish Cypriots (some will object)apologise for our folk trying to find safety in numbers and moving to villages where the Turkish Cypriots had a majority or Wholly Turkish Cypriot population. How dare we try to save our lives from the marauding paramilitaries in 1963/64.

Please forgive us.

I will forgive you trying to save your lives (if that was not an exaggeration), but I won't forgive your lies!

These enclaves were a voluntary set-up and controlled by the Turkish Cypriot leadership of Denktash.

The problem is Deniz, the TCs had no more reason to resort to enclaves in the 60's, than the GCs did, in all the time they were persecuted by Ottomans and Brits ....

[T_C]

It's pathetic that you're all trying to make out our families moved into enclaves on purpose!

Left their homes and villages to go live in caves and tents for a couple of years, on some partition "mission".
WTF?

[Piratis]

The problem is Deniz, the TCs had no more reason to resort to enclaves in the 60's, than the GCs did, in all the time they were persecuted by Ottomans and Brits ....

The question is: Was there even a tiny part of Cyprus that GCs could find refuge during the Ottoman rule? I don't think so.

Unlike the inter-communal conflict, which was started by the TCs in 1958 and it was a two way conflict with losses from both sides, during the Ottoman rule it was a one way oppression of the Turks against the native Cypriot people, and there was not even a single village that GCs could find refuge.

During the inter-communal conflict many TCs moved to TC only villages, and many GCs moved to GC villages. The TCs even forced the Armenians out of their own neighborhoods in Nicosia.

The TCs who cry about the inter-communal conflict should remember that they also had their own murderers who killed innocent GCs, and most importantly that it is them who started the conflict in 1958, with the aim to assist the British to oppress the Cypriot revolution, and have gains granted to them by the British on our expense.

[doesntmatter]

Doesn'tfuckinghaveanidea wrote:

20,000 Greek soldiers brough to Cyprus to ensure a successful enosis and you come up with this crap.

Papitis, you are funny.

Those Greek troops which were in actual fact only 12,000, where bought in to resist the planned Turkish invasion which would have annexed and partitioned part of the island.

The Turkish bullshit on this forum is horrendous...

May remind Papitis the clown who seems to suffedr from a short time memory problem of what he said on Sunday 4th of Jan 2009. Only one day before his above comical claim of 12,000 he said that there were 20,000 Greek soldiers in Cyprus.

a time when Greece had 20,000 troops in Cyprus.

OOOOPS: :lol


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 00&start=0

The "foreign" Greek Cypriot bullshit (and stupidity) on this forum is horrendous...

[denizaksulu]

This enclave / exclave mentality intrigues me; speaking as one who relishes freedom and minimal restrictions on global (let alone local) movement.It's not enough anymore, for the TCs to claim they set-up these enclaves under duress, and because of threats from GCs.  That something sinister was being cooked is now a fact ... i.e. the role of the enclaves in roller-coasting the destruction by Turkish invasion of Cyprus.The mentality of Islamic followers may be at the root of this "back to the womb", get away from the corrupting influences of infidels etc ... "we shall proclaim a section of Earth that is free from Christians by setting up enclaves from where we will gain communal strength",  .... to brew and hatch strength for planned incursions to expand outwards from an inner core of strength, perhaps.  Anyway, just thinking aloud     because it seems the Oil Rich Arab states that want the Tourist dollars and Euros, but do not want the influence of the Western-freedom-seekers, seem to be setting up more and more such enclaves ...   So TCs .. kindly do not blame the GCs for you, resorting to setting up something for your own gain and interests!

Dear Oracle. Can I, on behalf of all Turkish Cypriots (some will object)apologise for our folk trying to find safety in numbers and moving to villages where the Turkish Cypriots had a majority or Wholly Turkish Cypriot population. How dare we try to save our lives from the marauding paramilitaries in 1963/64.

Please forgive us.

I will forgive you trying to save your lives (if that was not an exaggeration), but I won't forgive your lies!

These enclaves were a voluntary set-up and controlled by the Turkish Cypriot leadership of Denktash.

The problem is Deniz, the TCs had no more reason to resort to enclaves in the 60's, than the GCs did, in all the time they were persecuted by Ottomans and Brits ....

Your problem, Oracle, is that you cannot distinguish between the Ottoman conquest and the current situation. The Ottomans did not take Cyprus to annihilate the local population. They may have punished 'insubordination and treason - SUCH AS YOUR BISHOPS), but they had NO INTENTION of ridding Cyprus of its population. The events of 1963/4 was seen by many as such a thing. This would never be allowed.

[Paphitis]

Doesn'tfuckinghaveanidea wrote:

20,000 Greek soldiers brough to Cyprus to ensure a successful enosis and you come up with this crap.

Papitis, you are funny.

Those Greek troops which were in actual fact only 12,000, where bought in to resist the planned Turkish invasion which would have annexed and partitioned part of the island.

The Turkish bullshit on this forum is horrendous...

May remind Papitis the clown who seems to suffedr from a short time memory problem of what he said on Sunday 4th of Jan 2009. Only one day before his above comical claim of 12,000 he said that there were 20,000 Greek soldiers in Cyprus.

a time when Greece had 20,000 troops in Cyprus.

OOOOPS: :lol


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 00&start=0

The "foreign" Greek Cypriot bullshit (and stupidity) on this forum is horrendous...

What is your point?

Whether there were 12,000 Greek troops, as recorded by official UN documents, or 20,000 Greek troops means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.

Perhaps the discrepancy is attributed to the fact that the larger figure may have included CNG elements.

What is important is to understand that in 1964, Cypriots had the perfect opportunity to declare ENOSIS. With so many Greek troops on the ground, there would have been no chance for Turkey to launch a successful invasion. But ENOSIS was NEVER declared, which means that the ideal of ENOSIS was abandoned shortly after independence.

The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.

The Greek-led Cypriot government said Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

But the TMT ideal of TAKSIM continued.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Deniz Wrote:

Dear Oracle. Can I, on behalf of all Turkish Cypriots (some will object)apologise for our folk trying to find safety in numbers and moving to villages where the Turkish Cypriots had a majority or Wholly Turkish Cypriot population. How dare we try to save our lives from the marauding paramilitaries in 1963/64.

Please forgive us.

No one is denying that TCs wanted to have safety in numbers and that some TCs may have feared for their safety due to the intercommunal violence that the TMT initiated against the GCs as early as 1958.

However, it has been proven as FACT that the MAIN reason for enclaves was to more easily achieve the TMT goal of TAKSIM.

It has also been proven as fact, that ENOSIS was abandoned by atleast 1964, as this was the year that would have been the best opportunity for ENOSIS.

[zan]

Bullshit about the reasons why ENOSIS aws not achieved in 1964...but then thats par for the course with you....

Can you give us a date as to when the ENOSIS movement started and when Taksim started...How about he dates on when EOKA was formed and then the TMT.......

[Paphitis]

Bullshit about the reasons why ENOSIS aws not achieved in 1964...but then thats par for the course with you....

Can you give us a date as to when the ENOSIS movement started and when Taksim started...How about he dates on when EOKA was formed and then the TMT.......

Really? So with 20,000 Greek troops on the ground, who was going to stop us?

The EOKA struggle began in 1955. It is the devine right of the GCs to be fighting for their own self determination.

TMT was formed in 1958 and instigated the first intercommunal atrocities:

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots promptly burned out a neighbouring district of Greek shops and homes, in what was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."

[denizaksulu]

Bullshit about the reasons why ENOSIS aws not achieved in 1964...but then thats par for the course with you....

Can you give us a date as to when the ENOSIS movement started and when Taksim started...How about he dates on when EOKA was formed and then the TMT.......

Really? So with 20,000 Greek troops on the ground, who was going to stop us?

The EOKA struggle began in 1955. It is the devine right of the GCs to be fighting for their own determination.

TMT was formed in 1958 and instigated the first intercommunal atrocities:

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots promptly burned out a neighbouring district of Greek shops and homes, in what was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."

Bafidis says: "TMT was formed in 1958 and instigated the first intercommunal atrocities".

Do you have any figures of the number of the victims you mentioned during these atrocities? Also I must remind you that the TMT was formed after and as a counter measure to EOKA/ENOSIS.