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Postby zan » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:39 pm

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Bananiot wrote:Paphitis, I will not try to convince you of anything. You are well entrenched into your nationalist thinking and god himself, if he/she ever came to earth wouldn't be able to convince you. However, let me give an insight of how the situation was on the ground in 1969, six years after the intercommunal strife started.

The Turkish Cypriots were running short of staying power within the enclaves. Turkey was spending 20 million dollars per year to sustain the enclaves. Klerides and Denktash were talking solution and came up with an agreement that was extremely favourable to our side. In fact, Denktash had accepted most of the 13 points that Makarios tried to push on in 1963. Many of the so called privileges the TC community enjoyed with the 1959 Constitution were taken back.

Makarios did not accept the agreement reached by Klerides and Denktash. One can naturally wonder: Why didn't him? What was his agenda?

Would you like to make an effort to explain this to the bewildered observers of the Cyprob Paphitis? We were on top in 1969. We had the TC's in our pockets and the deal that was brokered by the two negotiators was very appealing, on the surface, at least. It galvanised our independent country and gave the Greek Cypriot community more leeway. However, Makarios rejected it!

Come on Paphitis, think hard, think creatively and independently. Shed your biases for a second and you will get it.


1969 was the year I left Cyprus,Bananiot.....
Is there any way we can get our hands on the agreement worked out by Klerides and Denktash???
And did Makarios ever gave a reason for rejecting it>>>????


Well there was something going on.... :wink:

http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/G ... 8-1975.PDF
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:43 pm

Bananiot wrote:However, let me give an insight of how the situation was on the ground in 1969, six years after the intercommunal strife started.

The Turkish Cypriots were running short of staying power within the enclaves. Turkey was spending 20 million dollars per year to sustain the enclaves. Klerides and Denktash were talking solution and came up with an agreement that was extremely favourable to our side. In fact, Denktash had accepted most of the 13 points that Makarios tried to push on in 1963. Many of the so called privileges the TC community enjoyed with the 1959 Constitution were taken back.

Makarios did not accept the agreement reached by Klerides and Denktash. One can naturally wonder: Why didn't him? What was his agenda?

Is this the 1964 Acheson plan you’re referring to? If not then please give me a name for this proposal, or link to it.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:02 pm

Read it straight from the horses mouth, "My Deposition" by Glafkos Klerides.
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Postby halil » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:26 pm

Bananiot wrote:Read it straight from the horses mouth, "My Deposition" by Glafkos Klerides.


My dear Bananiot ,
what do you except our beloved GR !!!!

he wasn't in Cyprus in those years ..... He was in Australia or he was only kid ...... he only knows what he hears from propaganda machines .... he does not read any books that it was written down by any Cypriot writers or politicians, specially who were in the tops at those times .even i read My deposition by Klerides . He is only bussy finding grammer mistakes of my writings .

I did posted before to forum what was Klerides said in 2003 as well it was pdf file i could nt copy it and i was given link for his writings and i was spend my time to write his saying but he and some of his co's never bothers to read .They thinks how clear they are and no one does better arguments than they are .... Thats way we end up with nothing . They always thinks glass is always full up .

few days ago also i was posted below writing .... i bet they never notice.

it was true some agreements were on also rejectiones were on too .


TURKISH CYPRIOT ATTEMPTS TO RETURN TO THEIR VILLAGES


destruction of Turkish Cypriot property, recorded by the UN in 1964, went
on throughout the decade. Turkish Cypriot homes were looted and destroyed, their
lands laid waste or used by Greek Cypriots without any payment and their flocks,
agricultural implements, tractors, lorries and cars taken over ......

8 December 1967, the UN Secretary-General
reported that :
“The refusal of the Greek Cypriot authorities to allow the Turkish
Cypriot refugees to return to their homes in conditions of safety,
effectively frustrated persistent Turkish efforts to rehabilitate them.
They also obstructed attempts to improve their living conditions.”
One of the most important developments which occurred in January 1969 and to
which, according to Mr Glafcos Clerides,
“unfortunately, the Greek Cypriot side responded too cautiously (!)
to the request by the Turkish Cypriot leadership that the Turkish
Cypriots, who had left their villages should be allowed and assisted toreturn to them.”

He had been informed by Mr Rauf Denktaş, as the President of the Turkish
Communal Chamber, that the Turkish Cypriot side intended to take steps to
encourage the return to their villages of all the Turkish Cypriot refugees from twenty
villages around the island.

Mr Denktaş had also told him that :
“This action we hope, if successful, will be conducive to the return of
all remaining refugees to their villages in a short time. Much, of
course, will depend on the reception these people will receive from
the Greek inhabitants of the area to which they will be returning. We
also hope that this action will dispel, from some Greek quarters, the
mistaken belief that the Turkish side is concentrating its population in
certain areas with a view to partitioning the island!
I shall be grateful to know whether without prejudice to the final
settlement of any question of compensation etc., your side is ready
and willing to render assistance to these villages or villagers in thefof
(i) allocating to us immediately agreed sums of money for re-building
or repairing all the houses, schools, mosques etc., which have been
destroyed in these villages;
(ii) providing us with funds for destroyed or stolen movables of these
villages with a view to enabling them to settle in their houses without
delay (furniture, clothing, household utensils etc.);
(iii) rehabilitation assistance i.e. long term credit facilities at
minimum rates of interest and financial help through cooperatives for
acquiring seeds, fertilizers, flocks etc.;
(iv) a mixed committee of experts may visit these villages with a view
to ascertaining what is needed.
Time factor is important as we have to decide for the final
rehabilitation of these people as early as possible.”
The UN had prepared a plan for the return of Turkish Cypriot refugees to theirformer
villages through a gradual, steady process of resettlement and re-adaptation. It
made clear that an essential factor for the success of the resettlement plan was
housing, which included not only the repair of all buildings but the erection of new
ones (schools, mosques, recreation centres, etc.). It suggested that Turkish Cypriot
refugees could be granted bank loans, according to the size of the family, for living
essentials (furniture, working implements, working capital, etc.), and that a fund for
their rehabilitation could be established. The UN plan finally said that :
“The present plan aims at two important objectives: first, to integrate
the resettled Turkish Cypriots into the economy of the island as a
whole and, second, to attempt to re-establish between the two ethnic
groups a level of trust and mutual confidence, which unfortunately
does not yet exist, for close and loyaI co-operation between the two
segments of the island’s population.”
According to Mr Clerides:
“The Greek Cypriot side at first took the position that the Turkish
Cypriots could not return to certain sensitive areas such as Neapolis
and Omorphita. With regard to other areas it stated that it would
welcome the return of the Turkish Cypriots to their homes, but took
no further action, despite the fact the UN had prepared a plan for the
resettlement of the Turkish Cypriots in their homes.
Makarios accepted the views of the hawks. i.e. that such a
development was premature, and that it would ease the economic
problem the Turkish side was facing. I strongly disagreed with that
view. I believed that the Greek Cypriot side had committed an
enormous error which would adversely affect future developments.
For the first time since 1963, an opportunity was offered by the
Turkish side to have the Turks return to their villages in areas under
the control of the (Greek Cypriot) government… In other words we
deliberately dragged our feet and eventually shelved a process which
would have led to the dispersal of Turkish Cypriots from an artificially


(!) created concentration in the north of the island to their native
villages throughout Cyprus.
The paradox was that, although we were rejecting groupings of
Turkish villages for the purposes of local government, even if they
had no geographical cohesion, out of fear that Turkish areas may thus
be created, when they were offering to deconcentrate from the North
and resettle in their villages, we did not respond eagerly and in a
positive manner.” (Glafcos Clerides, Cyprus: My Deposition)
Mr Clerides, while lamenting on the fanaticism of the “hawks” in the Greek Cypriot
camp, carefully evades his own responsibility during those dark years. But one has to
recall that it was Mr Clerides himself who said in July 1965:
“We the Greek Cypriots are in full control of the government. All the
ministers are Greeks. Our government is the one recognized
internationally – why should we bring the Turks back in? The Turks
control only three percent of the land. They have no rich resources
and they are living through difficult times from an economic point of
view. They will ultimately have to accept our point of view – or go.”
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:41 pm

Bananiot wrote:Read it straight from the horses mouth, "My Deposition" by Glafkos Klerides.

Instead of “My deposition” Klerides should’ve titled his memoirs as “My fragile position!” because that’s the only title that truly describes this imposter’s attempts to distance himself from past debacles he was involved in and blaming it all on the deceased!

Keep reading Klerides’ rubbish covering his arse and your mental damage will become irreversible Bananiot, for there has never been a bigger deceiver in the history of contemporary Cypriot politics than this clown, who wasted no less than two terms in office living the high life with his buddy Denktash, while thousands of refugees were having a meager existence in wooden shacks for over a decade…
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:36 pm

zan wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Paphitis, I will not try to convince you of anything. You are well entrenched into your nationalist thinking and god himself, if he/she ever came to earth wouldn't be able to convince you. However, let me give an insight of how the situation was on the ground in 1969, six years after the intercommunal strife started.

The Turkish Cypriots were running short of staying power within the enclaves. Turkey was spending 20 million dollars per year to sustain the enclaves. Klerides and Denktash were talking solution and came up with an agreement that was extremely favourable to our side. In fact, Denktash had accepted most of the 13 points that Makarios tried to push on in 1963. Many of the so called privileges the TC community enjoyed with the 1959 Constitution were taken back.

Makarios did not accept the agreement reached by Klerides and Denktash. One can naturally wonder: Why didn't him? What was his agenda?

Would you like to make an effort to explain this to the bewildered observers of the Cyprob Paphitis? We were on top in 1969. We had the TC's in our pockets and the deal that was brokered by the two negotiators was very appealing, on the surface, at least. It galvanised our independent country and gave the Greek Cypriot community more leeway. However, Makarios rejected it!

Come on Paphitis, think hard, think creatively and independently. Shed your biases for a second and you will get it.


1969 was the year I left Cyprus,Bananiot.....
Is there any way we can get our hands on the agreement worked out by Klerides and Denktash???
And did Makarios ever gave a reason for rejecting it>>>????


Well there was something going on.... :wink:

http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/G ... 8-1975.PDF



AHEM!!!!!! :idea:
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:45 pm

GR, its worse than I thought. You have totally lost it, but never mind, it takes all sorts.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:51 pm

Bananiot wrote:GR, its worse than I thought. You have totally lost it, but never mind, it takes all sorts.

On a different note, I'm interested in the Badminton initiative (not as a player :) ) so how about some news on what you've come up with so far in Halil’s thread…
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:54 pm

zan wrote:http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/GeneralInfo%5CPdf%5Callilografia%20klerides-denktash%201968-1975.PDF

AHEM!!!!!! :idea:

:roll: Look up the word "legible"...
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:56 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/GeneralInfo%5CPdf%5Callilografia%20klerides-denktash%201968-1975.PDF

AHEM!!!!!! :idea:

:roll: Look up the word "legible"...


Hit the "make text bigger" button and it is more than legible.. :?
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