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[doesntmatter]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

Do you actually know anything

(grē'väs) , 1898–1974, Greek and Cypriot general, b. Cyprus. He joined the Greek army and early became an advocate of enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece). After World War II, he played a sinister role in the antileftist repression that helped bring about the Greek Civil War. In 1954 he returned to Cyprus to head a guerrilla army (EOKA), which conducted struggle against the British in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He opposed the 1959 agreements establishing the independent republic of Cyprus. In Aug., 1964, after fighting broke out between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, he commanded the Cypriot national guard and headed Greek forces on the island. Grivas was forced to leave Cyprus, however, in Nov., 1967, after a number of Turkish Cypriots were killed in a battle with Grivas's national guard. In 1971, he returned secretly to the island, launching a terrorist campaign against the government of President Makarios. Shortly after his death, his movement succeeded in temporarily overthrowing Makarios, thus opening the way for a Turkish seizure of the northern third of the island (July, 1974) and its de facto partition.

Unfortunately you don't understand what you read though mate....


Paphitis wrote:

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write

Then why was ENOSIS not declared in 1964, when there were at least 12,000 Greek troops on the island?

Why was ENOSIS not declared, when Makarios was deposed on 15 July 74? Why did Nicos Sampson take over the presidency if the objective was ENOSIS?

I think you should read this thread again.

enosis was not declared because it would have meant that Turkey and Greece would have gone to war, two NATO allies.

Zan and I posted a link but you are too bloody lazy to read it, instead you prefer to be a clown and make a fool of yourself.

[doesntmatter]

:lol: Why is everyone attacking Paphitis?

Come on people get a little more constructive here...

We are not attacking him, we would never attack a clown who makes us laugh.

[Paphitis]

:lol: Why is everyone attacking Paphitis?

Come on people get a little more constructive here...

That is what people do when they get desperate and are fighting a losing battle.

[doesntmatter]

You twist and turn and you don't even know where you are going Paphitis...

This is where I am going...

So far you have not been able to counter my my factual argument:

Samarkeolog Wrote:

As for protection from Turkish Air Force bombings, it was Greek Cypriot extremists' attacks that caused Turkish military bombings. Der Spiegel (19th August 1964 - Google translation) said that,

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis

In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

Samarkeolog Wrote:

When they attacked, Turkey bombed them back. So, the Greek Cypriots might have needed the Greeks to protect them from the Turks, but only because the Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriots. If the Greek Cypriots hadn't attacked the Turkish Cypriots, the Turks wouldn't have attacked the Greek Cypriots.

If the TCs were not smuggling weapons from Turkey in order to further their campaign for TAKSIM, then the GCs would not have attacked.

The GCs were merely defending their island as it was evident that Kokkina was a major national threat to Cypriot Sovereignty, due to TMT weapon smuggling:

GR Wrote:

Had you done your homework you would’ve known that the Kokkina enclave was in fact a TMT forces enclave, which had a sea port that regularly received arms and other supplies from Turkish boats that fuelled the TC armed uprisings all over the island, and ultimately making it vital for Turkey’s goal of partition on Cyprus by providing her with a safe beachhead for a military ground invasion.

The fact that the TAF conducted the first aerial bombings on Cyprus as a result of the Kokkina threat by opposing forces is further concrete evidence of the importance of Kokkina for Turkey because had Kokkina fallen the entire Turkish ulterior motive for Cyprus would’ve fallen to pieces.

Therefore, the RoC government was correct in its evaluation that the Kokkina point was a major national threat and had to go! After all, the major population of Cyprus was an 82% overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots that the Kokkina point was directly threatening.

So in order to defend the Kokkina beachhead, the TAF bombs Cyprus using these aircraft:



THK F-100 Super Sabres were very active over Cyprus in 1964. This artwork, reconstructed from several photographs showing different Turkish "Huns" in the 1960s, depicts one of F-100D in service with the THK at the time. The THK received also a sizeable batch of F-100Cs, but only from 1970 onwards. (Artwork by Tom Cooper)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

They had dropped over 750lbs (340kg) of bombs and napalm:

Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

Therefore, it still stands to reason that the main objective of the TMT, was TAKSIM. Enclaves, were established to mainly assist the TMT with their mission. They armed themselves to the teeth, by smuggling arms from Turkey to Kokkina, so thet they can continue with their terror campaign for TAKSIM.

The last paragraph is the essence of this thread.

Any thoughts gents?

Taksim was to stop your enosis you clown.

And stop editing your posts and changing it's original contents you clown.

[Get Real!]

At the end of the day Cyprus is f***** because as Cypriots we were not unanimous…

It's OUR shame not the foreigners.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz Wrote:

At the request of the British Governor, a 23-page report was later published titled…

”Findings of the Commission of Inquiry into the incidents at Geunyeli Cyprus on 12th June 1958”

…which clearly described the fateful events in great detail and aftermath, although some sections are not very legible due to poor photo copying, and can be found here in PDF format…

http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

On the 12th of June this year (2008) it will be the 50th anniversary of this darkest of days in the history of Cyprus so please spare a moment for these unfortunate souls…

Thank you Deniz.

From what I gathered from the first 2 pages is that the 8 GC's were in fact dropped off near the TMT controlled village of Guenyeli.

The report states that the British did not consider their safety to be in jeopardy, because no-one was ever attacked in the country side. The British deny that the GC"s were made to run the gauntlet.

But run the gauntlet they did, as they were attacked and murdered allegedly by TMT, or other TCs.

Even if this is true, it was grossly irresponsible for the British to do this and not take the released captives to their own villages and homes.

Why did the British drop them off near Guenyeli? I fear that the report is fabricated.

May they rest in peace.

Deniz Wrote:

FIRST BLOOD??? what first blood? who's first blood?

HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN THESE DEATHS?

http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/alb ... x1956.html

http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/alb ... x1957.html

http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/alb ... x1958.html

Thanks for the above links as well.

Sadly I am unable to read them, as they are in Turkish. If you find any English links, then please post them.

Some of the pictures depict men in either military or police uniforms. Were some part of the Turkish Auxiliary? I only ask because my mother’s neighbour in Yeroskipos, who was a GC police officer working for the British, was assassinated in his house. My mother actually saw the assassins climbing the back fence of her property to get to the victims house.

May they too rest in peace.

I doubt if the links are published in English. Please note that the first list contains those murdered in 1956.

As to the uniforms, some are Cyprus Republic Police uniforms. Some are in British Army uniform (not to be surprised here). I know of one killed who was in the auxillaries, but the photo shows him in civilian garb.

As to your mothers neighbors husband, you dont give a year, but the choices are many. The killers could be the Eoka, a disgruntles person with a grudge or even a TC (which I doubt). As a police officer policing for the British (assuming the date of his killing to be before 1960) he might be seen as a collaborator too. Who knows. We can only make wild guesses here.


The credit for the links must go to Iceman.

I thank him to for those links. I never knew the full list of my classmates who were killed in Kophinou 1967.

May they rest in peace.

[doesntmatter]

:lol: Why is everyone attacking Paphitis?

Come on people get a little more constructive here...

That is what people do when they get desperate and are fighting a losing battle.

"loosing battle"? LOL

You mean you are winning because you post "credible evidence" from sources that are dubious?

Next you'll be saying that you won t he war because you lost 30% of Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

Zan and I posted a link but you are too bloody lazy to read it, instead you prefer to be a clown and make a fool of yourself.

I am still looking for your link and cannot find it.

This is from a Turkish source....

“ From what I heard, Turkey in order to manifest the partion of the of the island planned to gather all Cyprus Turks within a region. By placing militia at various points and enforcing these with new conscripts a permanent base of deployment was planned.Paphos was one the the regions planned for such a scope. Smaller villages were to be joined to these stations strengthening their defences against probable Greek attacks. By this way any Greek plans to attack and destroy unprotected villages to spread their cmplete sovereignty over the whole island would be impeded. By time these three regions would spread and integrate paving the way to the partition of the island without going into a major fighting. Details that reached us all indicated to the presence of such a plot.

Whilst all along, the GCs wanted to spread their complete sovereignty over the whole island:

By this way any Greek plans to attack and destroy unprotected villages to spread their cmplete sovereignty over the whole island would be impeded.

TMT also smuggled arms into Kokkina to further their TAKSIM objectives:

“ Erenköy, the first base for the supply of arms to the fighters of Cyprus, was also the first place to be put under alert. All arms and armament in nine underground burials was under voluntary protection. Every depot contained necessary arms that would be necessary for the defence of the village. Alevkaya village had one, Bozdag and Mansura villages 4 and Selcuklu and Erenkoy 1 depot.

He said the Turks had chosen the Mansoura – Kokkina area as a bridgehead for the creation of a Turkish cantomn. In this they were helped by the existence of Turkish Cypriot villages, facilities for the unloading of military material and men from Turkey, and favourable ground.

This Turkish bridgehead was the most important in the island, he said. One of the reasons was that it could be used for the bringing of supplies from the sea.

http://www.yenikibris.org/kitap/ulus/dillirga.htm

[samarkeolog]

Well, I did not deny that the 8 were not part of an armed group. I did state that the 8 were EOKA members.

This is exactly what I said:

Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters....

And this:

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists....

So the eight individuals were part of an armed group. But they were released in a TMT controlled area by the British and were unarmed at the time. The 8 GC's were murdered by TMT near the village of Geunyeli.

I agree that it was murder and thus unacceptable, but they were not 'civilians'.

[Paphitis]

Well, I did not deny that the 8 were not part of an armed group. I did state that the 8 were EOKA members.

This is exactly what I said:

Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters....

And this:

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists....

So the eight individuals were part of an armed group. But they were released in a TMT controlled area by the British and were unarmed at the time. The 8 GC's were murdered by TMT near the village of Geunyeli.

I agree that it was murder and thus unacceptable, but they were not 'civilians'.

They were unarmed individuals that were released by the British near a TMT controlled village.

I am certain that the TMT would not have known that they were EOKA members, unless informed by the British. Which I honestly think is a possibility.