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[doesntmatter]

EOKA only attacked Turkish Auxiliary from 1957 and onwards. And yet you are claiming that there were TC victims in 1956.

And there you were telling us all the time that we TCs started the conflict in 1958.

Now you tell us that the eoka terrorists were attacking the TCs as early as 1957.

Are you a sharing Militiades' wine with him?


Do you have more reliable sources? [/quote]

You?

[zan]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

Do you actually know anything

(grē'väs) , 1898–1974, Greek and Cypriot general, b. Cyprus. He joined the Greek army and early became an advocate of enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece). After World War II, he played a sinister role in the antileftist repression that helped bring about the Greek Civil War. In 1954 he returned to Cyprus to head a guerrilla army (EOKA), which conducted struggle against the British in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He opposed the 1959 agreements establishing the independent republic of Cyprus. In Aug., 1964, after fighting broke out between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, he commanded the Cypriot national guard and headed Greek forces on the island. Grivas was forced to leave Cyprus, however, in Nov., 1967, after a number of Turkish Cypriots were killed in a battle with Grivas's national guard. In 1971, he returned secretly to the island, launching a terrorist campaign against the government of President Makarios. Shortly after his death, his movement succeeded in temporarily overthrowing Makarios, thus opening the way for a Turkish seizure of the northern third of the island (July, 1974) and its de facto partition.

[Paphitis]

EOKA only attacked Turkish Auxiliary from 1957 and onwards. And yet you are claiming that there were TC victims in 1956.

And there you were telling us all the time that we TCs started the conflict in 1958.

Now you tell us that the eoka terrorists were attacking the TCs as early as 1957.

Are you a sharing Militiades' wine with him?


Do you have more reliable sources?

You?

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write. The above one liner was obtained from this link:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... a/eoka.htm

It is still highly dubious, as I have not yet found any evidence as to the identity of the individual.

That one liner could also just mean the Turkish Auxiliary were attacked during demonstrations by Cypriot Youth and ANE. It still does not prove that any TCs were killed at this point.

But since the TCs were collaborating with the British at the time, and the GCs were desperately fighting for self determination, the Turkish Auxiliary was an enemy combatant, and thus fair game. Unfortunately!

[zan]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

Do you actually know anything

(grē'väs) , 1898–1974, Greek and Cypriot general, b. Cyprus. He joined the Greek army and early became an advocate of enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece). After World War II, he played a sinister role in the antileftist repression that helped bring about the Greek Civil War. In 1954 he returned to Cyprus to head a guerrilla army (EOKA), which conducted struggle against the British in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He opposed the 1959 agreements establishing the independent republic of Cyprus. In Aug., 1964, after fighting broke out between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, he commanded the Cypriot national guard and headed Greek forces on the island. Grivas was forced to leave Cyprus, however, in Nov., 1967, after a number of Turkish Cypriots were killed in a battle with Grivas's national guard. In 1971, he returned secretly to the island, launching a terrorist campaign against the government of President Makarios. Shortly after his death, his movement succeeded in temporarily overthrowing Makarios, thus opening the way for a Turkish seizure of the northern third of the island (July, 1974) and its de facto partition.

Unfortunately you don't understand what you read though mate....


Paphitis wrote:

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write

[doesntmatter]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

You edited and change the contents of your posting that contains the quote "First Cyprus crisis" that contained the following:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

It now contains none of the above that was posted by you, instead, you changed it to:

The First Cyprus Crisis

In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.

Last edited by Paphitis on Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:44 pm; edited 2 times in total

You edited your posting twice and are now attempting to lie your way out.


Nice try Papitis, but your action only proves that you are a cheating, lying clown.

[Paphitis]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

Do you actually know anything

(grē'väs) , 1898–1974, Greek and Cypriot general, b. Cyprus. He joined the Greek army and early became an advocate of enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece). After World War II, he played a sinister role in the antileftist repression that helped bring about the Greek Civil War. In 1954 he returned to Cyprus to head a guerrilla army (EOKA), which conducted struggle against the British in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He opposed the 1959 agreements establishing the independent republic of Cyprus. In Aug., 1964, after fighting broke out between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, he commanded the Cypriot national guard and headed Greek forces on the island. Grivas was forced to leave Cyprus, however, in Nov., 1967, after a number of Turkish Cypriots were killed in a battle with Grivas's national guard. In 1971, he returned secretly to the island, launching a terrorist campaign against the government of President Makarios. Shortly after his death, his movement succeeded in temporarily overthrowing Makarios, thus opening the way for a Turkish seizure of the northern third of the island (July, 1974) and its de facto partition.

Unfortunately you don't understand what you read though mate....


Paphitis wrote:

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write

Then why was ENOSIS not declared in 1964, when there were at least 12,000 Greek troops on the island?

Why was ENOSIS not declared, when Makarios was deposed on 15 July 74? Why did Nicos Sampson take over the presidency if the objective was ENOSIS?

I think you should read this thread again.

[zan]

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis, Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high.

Can you translate the above written in LARGE BLUE letters for me please. They are not pictures so you should have no problems translating.

Goerge Grivas was not even in Cyprus as he only arrived in late 1964, after the outbreak of violence...

Do you actually know anything

(grē'väs) , 1898–1974, Greek and Cypriot general, b. Cyprus. He joined the Greek army and early became an advocate of enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece). After World War II, he played a sinister role in the antileftist repression that helped bring about the Greek Civil War. In 1954 he returned to Cyprus to head a guerrilla army (EOKA), which conducted struggle against the British in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He opposed the 1959 agreements establishing the independent republic of Cyprus. In Aug., 1964, after fighting broke out between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, he commanded the Cypriot national guard and headed Greek forces on the island. Grivas was forced to leave Cyprus, however, in Nov., 1967, after a number of Turkish Cypriots were killed in a battle with Grivas's national guard. In 1971, he returned secretly to the island, launching a terrorist campaign against the government of President Makarios. Shortly after his death, his movement succeeded in temporarily overthrowing Makarios, thus opening the way for a Turkish seizure of the northern third of the island (July, 1974) and its de facto partition.

Unfortunately you don't understand what you read though mate....


Paphitis wrote:

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write

Then why was ENOSIS not declared in 1964, when there were at least 12,000 Greek troops on the island?

Why was ENOSIS not declared, when Makarios was deposed on 15 July 74? Why did Nicos Sampson take over the presidency if the objective was ENOSIS?

I think you should read this thread again.

You twist and turn and you don't even know where you are going Paphitis...You posted all the information you could need to come to a sensible conclusion and you ignore it and go on with utter rubbish...The Turkish planes that bombed in 1964 is a clue as to why...Greece telling Mkarios that he will have to face Turkey if he carries on is why.....Have another rethink my friend....You are making a fool of yourself...

[doesntmatter]

EOKA only attacked Turkish Auxiliary from 1957 and onwards. And yet you are claiming that there were TC victims in 1956.

And there you were telling us all the time that we TCs started the conflict in 1958.

Now you tell us that the eoka terrorists were attacking the TCs as early as 1957.

Are you a sharing Militiades' wine with him?


Do you have more reliable sources?

You?

Unlike yourself, I always look for reliable sources to back up anything I write. The above one liner was obtained from this link:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... a/eoka.htm

It is still highly dubious, as I have not yet found any evidence as to the identity of the individual.

That one liner could also just mean the Turkish Auxiliary were attacked during demonstrations by Cypriot Youth and ANE. It still does not prove that any TCs were killed at this point.

But since the TCs were collaborating with the British at the time, and the GCs were desperately fighting for self determination, the Turkish Auxiliary was an enemy combatant, and thus fair game. Unfortunately!

First you claim that you "always look for reliable sources to back up anything you write" then you go on to say that what you quoted is "dubious because you "have not yet found any evidence as to the identity of the individual".

The clown Papitis strikes again.


That's not all though, is it clown Papi?

You also try to excuse the enosis wish as "GC were desperately fighting for self determination".

Is your idea of "self determination" being under the rule of another country, Greece?

[Get Real!]

Why is everyone attacking Paphitis?

Come on people get a little more constructive here...

[Paphitis]

You twist and turn and you don't even know where you are going Paphitis...

This is where I am going...

So far you have not been able to counter my factual argument:

Samarkeolog Wrote:

As for protection from Turkish Air Force bombings, it was Greek Cypriot extremists' attacks that caused Turkish military bombings. Der Spiegel (19th August 1964 - Google translation) said that,

Greek Cypriots attacked Kokkina for security and defensive purposes, as the TMT, the TCs and Turkey were smuggling weapons through the Kokkina Beachhead:

The First Cyprus Crisis

In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

Samarkeolog Wrote:

When they attacked, Turkey bombed them back. So, the Greek Cypriots might have needed the Greeks to protect them from the Turks, but only because the Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriots. If the Greek Cypriots hadn't attacked the Turkish Cypriots, the Turks wouldn't have attacked the Greek Cypriots.

If the TCs were not smuggling weapons from Turkey in order to further their campaign for TAKSIM, then the GCs would not have attacked.

The GCs were merely defending their island as it was evident that Kokkina was a major national threat to Cypriot Sovereignty, due to TMT weapon smuggling:

GR Wrote:

Had you done your homework you would’ve known that the Kokkina enclave was in fact a TMT forces enclave, which had a sea port that regularly received arms and other supplies from Turkish boats that fuelled the TC armed uprisings all over the island, and ultimately making it vital for Turkey’s goal of partition on Cyprus by providing her with a safe beachhead for a military ground invasion.

The fact that the TAF conducted the first aerial bombings on Cyprus as a result of the Kokkina threat by opposing forces is further concrete evidence of the importance of Kokkina for Turkey because had Kokkina fallen the entire Turkish ulterior motive for Cyprus would’ve fallen to pieces.

Therefore, the RoC government was correct in its evaluation that the Kokkina point was a major national threat and had to go! After all, the major population of Cyprus was an 82% overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots that the Kokkina point was directly threatening.

So in order to defend the Kokkina beachhead, the TAF bombs Cyprus using these aircraft:



THK F-100 Super Sabres were very active over Cyprus in 1964. This artwork, reconstructed from several photographs showing different Turkish "Huns" in the 1960s, depicts one of F-100D in service with the THK at the time. The THK received also a sizeable batch of F-100Cs, but only from 1970 onwards. (Artwork by Tom Cooper)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

They had dropped over 750lbs (340kg) of bombs and napalm:

Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

Therefore, it still stands to reason that the main objective of the TMT, was TAKSIM. Enclaves, were established to mainly assist the TMT with their mission. They armed themselves to the teeth, by smuggling arms from Turkey to Kokkina, so thet they can continue with their terror campaign for TAKSIM.

The last paragraph is the essence of this thread.

Any thoughts gents?