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Enclaves and the Turkish TMT plot for TAKSIM!

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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:23 pm

miltiades wrote:
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I don't think Cyprus is a threat to Hellenism even if Independent. The only threat is from the enemies of Hellenism (The Trio ) denying Cyprus' majority to remain Hellenic or even acknowledge connections to a Hellenic history.


I think both Makarios and Grivas will be turning in their graves if they knew about the rise of anti-Hellenism today. Not to mention all those brave EOKA fighters who sacrificed their lives for a nation of traitors that are willing to sell out our Ethnos in order to gain favour with the Turks. :roll:

I have ultimate respect for both men, despite the mistakes both may have made in the past, which we only see through the benefit of hindsight.

So according to a foreign born Cypriot all Cypriots who are not willing to sell their Cypriot souls to Greece but are instead proud Cypriots , either G/Cs or T/Cs are traitors!!
Mate grow up , The Cypriots ETHNOS is none other than that of Cyprus ,
Why are you being such a spoiled sport , why refuse me the right to be a national of my birth country , why do you insist that my Ethnos is Greece .


Miltiades, I expect nothing else but utter stupidity from the likes of you, who forms an integral part of the unholy trio here on CF.

First go and educate yourself about the fundamental differences between Ethnos and Statehood, and then we can discuss your ridiculous assertions of me lacking any Cypriot credentials since I was "foreign born"...

I think it is you that still needs to grow up, as you have now denounced the right of Hellenism to exist on Cyprus, and then have the audacity to question my "foreign born" Cypriot credentials.

A real Cypriot would not question anyone's "foreign born" Cypriot credentials, because I will have you know, that it is those "foreign born" Cypriots in the US, Australia, Canada and NZ, which have done much more for Cyprus than most other Cypriot in Britain, and especially Cyprus. That is because, for the most part, they do not take their Cypriotism or Hellenism for granted, and do not disrespect these ideals like you do. This has much to do with our isolation from Cyprus, and Cypriotism for many of us, borders the fanatical due to our deprivation of anything Cypriot. A real Cypriot will never denounce Hellenism, which is the ultimate betrayal to Cyprus.

Don't talk to me again, because you are nothing but an incoherent drunken fool, and a coward. :roll:
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:30 pm

Hellenism, within living memory and not in ancient times, had several vibrant centers around the world. Alexandria with 300 000 Greeks is one. Egypt had about a million Greeks, much of the economy was in Greek hands, not in a colonial manner, but as part of the overall Egyptian economy yet culturally autonomous.

The same can be said of the Greeks in Istanbul, and could be said for the Greeks in Australia, Germany, USA, South Africa.

The Athenocentric state, with its narrow and shortsighted policies could not perceive of these centers as equal in stature since it did not control them. So when crises hit the Greeks of Egypt Greece did not intervene to help, the peasants who clung to power in Athens could not perceive of any advantage in having a rich and vibrant Greek communith outside their borders. They let that community die.

Later, after the fall of the junta, and to this day we have the so calle Secretariar of Emigrant Greeks, headed by a political party appointee who frequently does not speak any foreign language, travelling around the world on free tickets to do what exactly? How has this Secretariat mobilised the overseas Greeks to aid Hellenism?

How many top Greek scientists from overseas have been recalled even as visiting professors to help in the reorganization of Greek universitites? How does the Secretariat treat repatriated Greeks when they arrive in Greece?

The questions are self answering and will raise laughter among the afflicted.

In effect Greece treats its people abroad like garbage because the narrow minded Athenian state and its local elite are afraid to stand the comaprison test. Hence the great emphasis on the one thing in which they excel- the use of the Greek language, so as to ridicule a professor of a prestigious foreign university because he or she speaks broken Greek.

This approach may be good for Athens, it is rotten for Hellenism, because Athens is not the center of Hellenism.

In the same vein, an independent Cyprus is good for Hellenism, since it proves that Greeks can do it another way, compete and excel in the world outside the narrow stranglehold of Athens peasants. The contrast is threatenng to the Athens elite, and it must be extinguished. Maybe that is why they loved the Annan plan, it would have blurred the fact that this island state that can DO things is managed, in the true sense of the word, by Greeks that get things done.

This ability to get things done, on a collective basis, is what irks the Athenocentric wafflers who cannot organize their way out of a paper bag. But in the end it is the doers who benefit Hellenism and not the cafe dwellers who enjoy risk-free theorising in Kolonaki square.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:42 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Oracle wrote:
I don't think Cyprus is a threat to Hellenism even if Independent. The only threat is from the enemies of Hellenism (The Trio ) denying Cyprus' majority to remain Hellenic or even acknowledge connections to a Hellenic history.


I think both Makarios and Grivas will be turning in their graves if they knew about the rise of anti-Hellenism today. Not to mention all those brave EOKA fighters who sacrificed their lives for a nation of traitors that are willing to sell out our Ethnos in order to gain favour with the Turks. :roll:

I have ultimate respect for both men, despite the mistakes both may have made in the past, which we only see through the benefit of hindsight.

So according to a foreign born Cypriot all Cypriots who are not willing to sell their Cypriot souls to Greece but are instead proud Cypriots , either G/Cs or T/Cs are traitors!!
Mate grow up , The Cypriots ETHNOS is none other than that of Cyprus ,
Why are you being such a spoiled sport , why refuse me the right to be a national of my birth country , why do you insist that my Ethnos is Greece .


Miltiades, I expect nothing else but utter stupidity from the likes of you, who forms an integral part of the unholy trio here on CF.

First go and educate yourself about the fundamental differences between Ethnos and Statehood, and then we can discuss your ridiculous assertions of me lacking any Cypriot credentials since I was "foreign born"...

I think it is you that still needs to grow up, as you have now denounced the right of Hellenism to exist on Cyprus, and then have the audacity to question my "foreign born" Cypriot credentials.

A real Cypriot would not question anyone's "foreign born" Cypriot credentials, because I will have you know, that it is those "foreign born" Cypriots in the US, Australia, Canada and NZ, which have done much more for Cyprus than most other Cypriot in Britain, and especially Cyprus. That is because, for the most part, they do not take their Cypriotism or Hellenism for granted, and do not disrespect these ideals like you do. This has much to do with our isolation from Cyprus, and Cypriotism for many of us, borders the fanatical due to our deprivation of anything Cypriot. A real Cypriot will never denounce Hellenism, which is the ultimate betrayal to Cyprus.

Don't talk to me again, because you are nothing but an incoherent drunken fool, and a coward. :roll:

Anymore rudness from you young man and I will get us both banned . I do not need a lecture from a foreign born Cypriot as who my motherland is.
I have told you before that I'm a Greek Cypriot and that my Ethnos , my Nation , my country of birth , my national heritage is that of my birth country , Cyprus , since it is not your birth country kindly feel free to embrace the nation of Greece as your motherland. Ask your father if he is a KALAMARAS . Get it through your naive and immature head that I do not , along with the overwhelming number of Cypriots , count my self as a KALAMARAS . EIME KIPREOS , ELLINAS KIPRIOS KE OXI KALAMARAS.
Get it son ?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:11 pm

Dear Miltiades....Do yourself a favour and stop locking horns with the likes of Paphidis....These people are blind,because they refuse to see...
They have acquired their false nationalism from ignorant relatives,or from pure propaganda channels...They are as dangerous for peace in Cyprus as those who demanded Enosis and Taksim back in the 50s...At least those in the past didn't have the benefit of hindsight...They could be excused for their treachery....Paphidis and his ilk have no excuses....They are simply pawns in the hands of the foreign powers whose interest is to keep Cypriots divided....

You made a comment earlier about AKEL not supporting Enosis back then,but I think you are mistaken...AKEL was for Enosis with Greece because they hoped Greece would turn communist...This was the main reason a lot of TCs left AKEL back in the 40s and 50s...The other reason was TMT's threats and intimidation tactics....But most TCs didnt need any warning from the TMT...The fact that AKEL supported Enosis was enough...
People like Paphidis will never understand these intricate factors which served the interests of the original 'divide and rule' practitioners...A pity,my dear compatriot...But don't go getting yourself banned again to teach this guy a lesson..He is not worth it... :(
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:12 pm

Anymore rudness from you young man and I will get us both banned .


The only person you are capable of banning is yourself you incompetent drunken fool..Image
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:44 pm

A point of terminology for those who argue that the Segregated Areas were set up or later developed by Turkish Agents in order to promote Partition and enable Invasion and Annexation should consider calling these areas (Illegal) Exclaves.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Anymore rudness from you young man and I will get us both banned .


The only person you are capable of banning is yourself you incompetent drunken fool..Image

Suck your lolly pop little boy , or is it your thumb , you are so.... impressively childish and acutely naive .
The audacity that you exhibit is beyond comprehension . You were born in Australia of Cypriot parents. You embraced Greece since you felt that Cyprus was not good enough for you , inferiority complex by a confident lacking young man , you saw in Greece a nation that you felt comfortable with so you betrayed Cyprus !!!
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:29 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Dear Miltiades....Do yourself a favour and stop locking horns with the likes of Paphidis....These people are blind,because they refuse to see...
They have acquired their false nationalism from ignorant relatives,or from pure propaganda channels...They are as dangerous for peace in Cyprus as those who demanded Enosis and Taksim back in the 50s...At least those in the past didn't have the benefit of hindsight...They could be excused for their treachery....Paphidis and his ilk have no excuses....They are simply pawns in the hands of the foreign powers whose interest is to keep Cypriots divided....

You made a comment earlier about AKEL not supporting Enosis back then,but I think you are mistaken...AKEL was for Enosis with Greece because they hoped Greece would turn communist...This was the main reason a lot of TCs left AKEL back in the 40s and 50s...The other reason was TMT's threats and intimidation tactics....But most TCs didnt need any warning from the TMT...The fact that AKEL supported Enosis was enough...
People like Paphidis will never understand these intricate factors which served the interests of the original 'divide and rule' practitioners...A pity,my dear compatriot...But don't go getting yourself banned again to teach this guy a lesson..He is not worth it... :(


Bir let me disagree on the support of EOKA by AKEL.
AKEL was anti - EOKA from day one. I was growing up in Ayios Loukas Famagusta and was , even at a the ripe age of 12 an active member of ANE which was the youth movement of EOKA used for transporting written material and instructions or parcels to specific addresses. I remember in Ayios Loukas that the minute EOKA leaflets were dropped they were destroyed by the AKEL youngsters who despised EOKA.
I was at the receiving end when I was drugged of my bike and set upon by these youngsters. The intervention of a young man by the name of Lenin , yes Lenin , his brother was called Stalin, both of these young ment belonged to EOKA and were known in Ayios Loukas, saved me from a certain beating.

May I also state that not a single T/C was killed by AKEL members.
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:01 pm

Nikitas wrote:Hellenism, within living memory and not in ancient times, had several vibrant centers around the world. Alexandria with 300 000 Greeks is one. Egypt had about a million Greeks, much of the economy was in Greek hands, not in a colonial manner, but as part of the overall Egyptian economy yet culturally autonomous.

The same can be said of the Greeks in Istanbul, and could be said for the Greeks in Australia, Germany, USA, South Africa.

The Athenocentric state, with its narrow and shortsighted policies could not perceive of these centers as equal in stature since it did not control them. So when crises hit the Greeks of Egypt Greece did not intervene to help, the peasants who clung to power in Athens could not perceive of any advantage in having a rich and vibrant Greek communith outside their borders. They let that community die.

Later, after the fall of the junta, and to this day we have the so calle Secretariar of Emigrant Greeks, headed by a political party appointee who frequently does not speak any foreign language, travelling around the world on free tickets to do what exactly? How has this Secretariat mobilised the overseas Greeks to aid Hellenism?

How many top Greek scientists from overseas have been recalled even as visiting professors to help in the reorganization of Greek universitites? How does the Secretariat treat repatriated Greeks when they arrive in Greece?

The questions are self answering and will raise laughter among the afflicted.

In effect Greece treats its people abroad like garbage because the narrow minded Athenian state and its local elite are afraid to stand the comaprison test. Hence the great emphasis on the one thing in which they excel- the use of the Greek language, so as to ridicule a professor of a prestigious foreign university because he or she speaks broken Greek.

This approach may be good for Athens, it is rotten for Hellenism, because Athens is not the center of Hellenism.

In the same vein, an independent Cyprus is good for Hellenism, since it proves that Greeks can do it another way, compete and excel in the world outside the narrow stranglehold of Athens peasants. The contrast is threatenng to the Athens elite, and it must be extinguished. Maybe that is why they loved the Annan plan, it would have blurred the fact that this island state that can DO things is managed, in the true sense of the word, by Greeks that get things done.

This ability to get things done, on a collective basis, is what irks the Athenocentric wafflers who cannot organize their way out of a paper bag. But in the end it is the doers who benefit Hellenism and not the cafe dwellers who enjoy risk-free theorising in Kolonaki square.


Maybe this non-intervention is at the heart of Hellenism. If we are to go out into the world, we have to be independent. A precursor to Survival of the Fittest.

Contrast this with Turkey/Kemalism which uses unfair means to support its brethren, thus perpetuating the "puppy-dog" mentality.

Cyprus is clinging on, but leading the way so far.
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Re: Enclaves and the Turkish TMT plot for TAKSIM!

Postby doesntmatter » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:52 pm

Paphitis wrote:This thread is written in order to counter the many Turkish Myths and propaganda that is propagated by many Neo Partitionists on this forum.

A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974 invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.." (Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).


And let’s not mention the false claims of genocide which only claimed about 800 TC lives, compared to some 10,000 GC victims from 1958-1974.

And the sole purpose of these besieged enclaves was none other than to facilitate the dream of TAKSIM!

This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead. Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".


Even UN Secretary General's report S/5950, para. 142 refutes the Turkish claims of extermination and genocide.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story when TAKSIM is your sole objective?

Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to facilitate its control over Cyprus.


The real culprit of GC and TC victims has been identified..

While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal violence, fuelled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on both sides.

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots promptly burned out a neighbouring district of Greek shops and homes, in what was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."


The fact that the TCs were the first to instigate intercommunal violence against the GCs, as a pre-cursor for TAKSIM is well documented.

Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters, forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.


More British crimes against Cyprus and their very clever policy of instigating further destabilising violence through "Divide and Rule".

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek, left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense pressure from Turkish separatists.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia. "Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created. However, this so-called `first phase' of the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.


http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

TCs are then forced into enclaves by separatist TMT terrorists.

TMT terror against TCs was also instrumental at enforcing TCs to withdraw into enclaves in order to facilitate TAKSIM more easily.

The enclaves were mostly created by TMT separatists in order to facilitate TAKSIM, and have far less to do with the exaggerated propaganda by Neo Partitionists that TCs were forced to withdraw into enclaves for protection against the GCs.



20,000 Greek soldiers brough to Cyprus to ensure a successful enosis and you come up with this crap.

Papitis, you are funny. :lol:
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