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[miltiades]

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

Miltiades has two foreign born kids with only one Cypriot parent, so what right does he have to laugh at others or call other "foreigners"?

He should also not forget that he supported enosis and still marches with "Cypriots" carrying the Greek flag at demonstartions.

He also reads the SUN and Afrika news papers...He can't be all bad!!!

I do read Africa as a matter of fact , as for the Sun , well you keep it to your self Zan !!
What poison do you read mate ?

[zan]

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

Miltiades has two foreign born kids with only one Cypriot parent, so what right does he have to laugh at others or call other "foreigners"?

He should also not forget that he supported enosis and still marches with "Cypriots" carrying the Greek flag at demonstartions.

He also reads the SUN and Afrika news papers...He can't be all bad!!!

I do read Africa as a matter of fact , as for the Sun , well you keep it to your self Zan !!
What poison do you read mate ?

I like to read the Daily Mail so I can see bigotry at first hand....The only real good part is the cross word on the back page....

If you do not subscribe to the Sun then I would do because your racist chants against Arabs is conducive to their writing....Who knows...You might even get featured if you do something crazy...Like protesting against Greek occupation of your beloved "RoC"... Or eat somebodies hamster!!!

[doesntmatter]

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

Miltiades has two foreign born kids with only one Cypriot parent, so what right does he have to laugh at others or call other "foreigners"?

He should also not forget that he supported enosis and still marches with "Cypriots" carrying the Greek flag at demonstartions.

I along with 80% of the Cypriot population supported ENOSIS , I along with perhaps 70% of the Cypriot people have seen the light , and want nothing more than an independent and united Cyprus with occupation troops out and third world 19th century Turkey not in control of 21st century Cyprus.
Have you seen the light mate ?

I wonder who the other 20% could have been...Those that it would have effected the most perhaps???Those that would have lost everything perhaps??? Those that still stand to lose the most perhaps????

What I want to know is where he gets his percentages from?

First of all, it was 96% of GCs who wanted and voted for enosis and not 80%. Maybe he got the 80% from the wine he drinks but where did he get the 70% from? Ouzo?

[zan]

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

Miltiades has two foreign born kids with only one Cypriot parent, so what right does he have to laugh at others or call other "foreigners"?

He should also not forget that he supported enosis and still marches with "Cypriots" carrying the Greek flag at demonstartions.

I along with 80% of the Cypriot population supported ENOSIS , I along with perhaps 70% of the Cypriot people have seen the light , and want nothing more than an independent and united Cyprus with occupation troops out and third world 19th century Turkey not in control of 21st century Cyprus.
Have you seen the light mate ?

I wonder who the other 20% could have been...Those that it would have effected the most perhaps???Those that would have lost everything perhaps??? Those that still stand to lose the most perhaps????

What I want to know is where he gets his percentages from?

First of all, it was 96% of GCs who wanted and voted for enosis and not 80%. Maybe he got the 80% from the wine he drinks but where did he get the 70% from? Ouzo?

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There is only one drink that contains that sort of %..Zivania....He must be on the hard stuff!!!!

[doesntmatter]

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

Miltiades has two foreign born kids with only one Cypriot parent, so what right does he have to laugh at others or call other "foreigners"?

He should also not forget that he supported enosis and still marches with "Cypriots" carrying the Greek flag at demonstartions.

I along with 80% of the Cypriot population supported ENOSIS , I along with perhaps 70% of the Cypriot people have seen the light , and want nothing more than an independent and united Cyprus with occupation troops out and third world 19th century Turkey not in control of 21st century Cyprus.
Have you seen the light mate ?

I wonder who the other 20% could have been...Those that it would have effected the most perhaps???Those that would have lost everything perhaps??? Those that still stand to lose the most perhaps????

What I want to know is where he gets his percentages from?

First of all, it was 96% of GCs who wanted and voted for enosis and not 80%. Maybe he got the 80% from the wine he drinks but where did he get the 70% from? Ouzo?

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There is only one drink that contains that sort of %..Zivania....He must be on the hard stuff!!!!

That would explains a lot about Miltiades mate.

[Byron]

Oracle wrote:

Are you saying that he lacked support amongst Cypriots in 1959/1960?

Grivas certainly did not lack the support in Cyprus. The only Cypriots who did not support Grivas from the outset, were the Communists.

As far as I am concerned, it was unfortunate that President Makarios derived much of his support from the Communists, which kept him in power.

The mere fact that Britain forbid Grivas returning to Cyprus in the Zurich Agreement, is an indication of how much Britain did fear Grivas as a rallying force for most Cypriots against British imperial influence.

If he was allowed to return, I personally would have liked to see some kind of coalition between both Makarios and Grivas, and without the Communist influence which pressured Makarios to align himself with the Soviet Union. Cyprus may have forged better relations with the west and NATO. Makarios did have at one stage an excellent relationship with the late JFK and the US. Things changed when AKEL began to influence Makarios a bit too much and almost turned Cyprus into another Cuba. It is this that perhaps forced the US to coerce the Greek Junta and EOKA B into deposing Makarios. This may have changed things quite drastically, and Cyprus may not be divided today. IMHO

But Grivas was a military officer first and foremost, and would not necessarily have been the world's most ideal politician.

Maybe Makarios and Grivas together were a Dynamic Duo and that's why the Brits sought to split them up. First by the exile of Makarios in the 50's, then the exile of Grivas in the 60's.

Another case of divide and rule.

The Priest and Dixhenis were very close indeed from the 50's to the early 60's. Even after they remained in close contact. Grivas as stated was never a politician and Makarios was never a military man. That is why Grivas never entered politics.

What is even more bizzare is why did the GC's elect a priest to become their leader. This matter has always baffled me. Any thoughts ?

[Bananiot]

96% of the GC's "voted" for enosis along with a handful of TC's but it was not a referendum, people just signed a petition ouside churches. Nevertheless, it is true that GC's longed for enosis. It was their prevelege to decide what to do with their country. Having said this, we need to look at the political aspects that needed to be taken into account. We needed to examine all parameters that were potentially substantial in such a development. Our leaders, never looked beyond their noses and they probably couldn't because they were not equipped with the necessary political culture to do so.

They behaved as though we were the sole inhabitants of the island and saw the TC community just as an obstacle that needed to be overcome at all costs in our drive to achieve our noble aim. Eventually this proved our undoing and no matter how much tear we now shed what has been done cannot be undone. Makarios and Grivas, Georgadjis, Samson, Lyssarides and Papadopoulos are the architects of our predicament. Had we behaved responsibly, TMT and the TC counterparts of our "heroes" could never advance their objectives.

[miltiades]

Oracle wrote:

Are you saying that he lacked support amongst Cypriots in 1959/1960?

Grivas certainly did not lack the support in Cyprus. The only Cypriots who did not support Grivas from the outset, were the Communists.

As far as I am concerned, it was unfortunate that President Makarios derived much of his support from the Communists, which kept him in power.

The mere fact that Britain forbid Grivas returning to Cyprus in the Zurich Agreement, is an indication of how much Britain did fear Grivas as a rallying force for most Cypriots against British imperial influence.

If he was allowed to return, I personally would have liked to see some kind of coalition between both Makarios and Grivas, and without the Communist influence which pressured Makarios to align himself with the Soviet Union. Cyprus may have forged better relations with the west and NATO. Makarios did have at one stage an excellent relationship with the late JFK and the US. Things changed when AKEL began to influence Makarios a bit too much and almost turned Cyprus into another Cuba. It is this that perhaps forced the US to coerce the Greek Junta and EOKA B into deposing Makarios. This may have changed things quite drastically, and Cyprus may not be divided today. IMHO

But Grivas was a military officer first and foremost, and would not necessarily have been the world's most ideal politician.

Maybe Makarios and Grivas together were a Dynamic Duo and that's why the Brits sought to split them up. First by the exile of Makarios in the 50's, then the exile of Grivas in the 60's.

Another case of divide and rule.

The Priest and Dixhenis were very close indeed from the 50's to the early 60's. Even after they remained in close contact. Grivas as stated was never a politician and Makarios was never a military man. That is why Grivas never entered politics.

What is even more bizzare is why did the GC's elect a priest to become their leader. This matter has always baffled me. Any thoughts ?

It should not baffle you at all Byron , the Cypriots did not have a pool of leaders to gather around. Makarios was seen as the Ethnarch ( Paphitis take note ) we had nobody else to look up to for leadership.
As you know the Cypriots had never had the privilege of being their own masters , leaders were far and few between through out our history. Makarios gave people a figurehead to look up to for guidance and inspiration./ Thankfully we have as an Ethnos moved on since then , we no longer yearn for an Ethnarch we vote for a President instead.

[zan]

Oracle wrote:

Are you saying that he lacked support amongst Cypriots in 1959/1960?

Grivas certainly did not lack the support in Cyprus. The only Cypriots who did not support Grivas from the outset, were the Communists.

As far as I am concerned, it was unfortunate that President Makarios derived much of his support from the Communists, which kept him in power.

The mere fact that Britain forbid Grivas returning to Cyprus in the Zurich Agreement, is an indication of how much Britain did fear Grivas as a rallying force for most Cypriots against British imperial influence.

If he was allowed to return, I personally would have liked to see some kind of coalition between both Makarios and Grivas, and without the Communist influence which pressured Makarios to align himself with the Soviet Union. Cyprus may have forged better relations with the west and NATO. Makarios did have at one stage an excellent relationship with the late JFK and the US. Things changed when AKEL began to influence Makarios a bit too much and almost turned Cyprus into another Cuba. It is this that perhaps forced the US to coerce the Greek Junta and EOKA B into deposing Makarios. This may have changed things quite drastically, and Cyprus may not be divided today. IMHO

But Grivas was a military officer first and foremost, and would not necessarily have been the world's most ideal politician.

Maybe Makarios and Grivas together were a Dynamic Duo and that's why the Brits sought to split them up. First by the exile of Makarios in the 50's, then the exile of Grivas in the 60's.

Another case of divide and rule.

The Priest and Dixhenis were very close indeed from the 50's to the early 60's. Even after they remained in close contact. Grivas as stated was never a politician and Makarios was never a military man. That is why Grivas never entered politics.

What is even more bizzare is why did the GC's elect a priest to become their leader. This matter has always baffled me. Any thoughts ?

It should not baffle you at all Byron , the Cypriots did not have a pool of leaders to gather around. Makarios was seen as the Ethnarch ( Paphitis take note ) we had nobody else to look up to for leadership.
As you know the Cypriots had never had the privilege of being their own masters , leaders were far and few between through out our history. Makarios gave people a figurehead to look up to for guidance and inspiration./ Thankfully we have as an Ethnos moved on since then , we no longer yearn for an Ethnarch we vote for a President instead.

The balance has been great so far....The lessons also....I think Tpap must have slipped through the net!!!

[Byron]

Oracle wrote:

Are you saying that he lacked support amongst Cypriots in 1959/1960?

Grivas certainly did not lack the support in Cyprus. The only Cypriots who did not support Grivas from the outset, were the Communists.

As far as I am concerned, it was unfortunate that President Makarios derived much of his support from the Communists, which kept him in power.

The mere fact that Britain forbid Grivas returning to Cyprus in the Zurich Agreement, is an indication of how much Britain did fear Grivas as a rallying force for most Cypriots against British imperial influence.

If he was allowed to return, I personally would have liked to see some kind of coalition between both Makarios and Grivas, and without the Communist influence which pressured Makarios to align himself with the Soviet Union. Cyprus may have forged better relations with the west and NATO. Makarios did have at one stage an excellent relationship with the late JFK and the US. Things changed when AKEL began to influence Makarios a bit too much and almost turned Cyprus into another Cuba. It is this that perhaps forced the US to coerce the Greek Junta and EOKA B into deposing Makarios. This may have changed things quite drastically, and Cyprus may not be divided today. IMHO

But Grivas was a military officer first and foremost, and would not necessarily have been the world's most ideal politician.

Maybe Makarios and Grivas together were a Dynamic Duo and that's why the Brits sought to split them up. First by the exile of Makarios in the 50's, then the exile of Grivas in the 60's.

Another case of divide and rule.

The Priest and Dixhenis were very close indeed from the 50's to the early 60's. Even after they remained in close contact. Grivas as stated was never a politician and Makarios was never a military man. That is why Grivas never entered politics.

What is even more bizzare is why did the GC's elect a priest to become their leader. This matter has always baffled me. Any thoughts ?

It should not baffle you at all Byron , the Cypriots did not have a pool of leaders to gather around. Makarios was seen as the Ethnarch ( Paphitis take note ) we had nobody else to look up to for leadership.
As you know the Cypriots had never had the privilege of being their own masters , leaders were far and few between through out our history. Makarios gave people a figurehead to look up to for guidance and inspiration./ Thankfully we have as an Ethnos moved on since then , we no longer yearn for an Ethnarch we vote for a President instead.

In future please post the words Greek Cypriots and not Cypriots as the word Cypriot also takes into account the Turkish Cypriots and they certainly did not choose MAKARIOS. Your supposed to be Cypriot, some respect please !!!