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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:08 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:Bananiot,
I do admire your persistence in trying to talk some sense to those whose minds are as closed today to the feelings and wishes of the TCs, as they were in the 40s and 50s...The mindset represented here by the likes or Paphidis and Oracle ,and their TC equivalents,illustrate how and why we find ourselves in the shit that we stand...Add to this mindset the covert and ouvert manipulations of the other interested parties,and we can see how easy it was to divide and rule us...The frustrating part is,after all these years,and after many things coming to light,these people refuse to change their minds about anything...They will not let truth get in the way of their prejudices....Anybody who seriously considers Grivas as someone suitable to be President of Cyprus,does not belong to the same world as you and I...Despite hundreds of thousands of years of evolution,human beings are still unable to rise above their animalistic ,tribalistic and herd instincts....We still need someone to blame,and we still insist on dividing people as "us" and "them",and we still need God to absolve us from guilt and sin...We don't deserve the gift of life,as most of us simply waste it away with bitterness and hatred...This is the hard lesson I learnt on this Forum... :( :(


The "divide and rule" theory is a load of crap and is something that is made up by those who wanted enosis to make the gullible believe it was the "Colonial powers", the USA, CIA who was to be blamed for the mess the enosis wishers had started.


Enosis was the catalyst they used...But we were certainly manipulated into feeling different,and they did things to set us against each other..To deny that is not going to help anything...Turkey had washed her hands of Cyprus in 1923...They had to be dragged into the equation by the Britain and USA in early 50s...Just after the establishment by the USA of Ozel Harp Dairesi(Special War Office) in September,1952...This was the germinal factor of the Turkish "Deep State" which is still active today...
TMT was established and trained by these people to work towards Partition (Taksim)....Don't be in denial like our friends Oracle and Paphidis...It doesn't help us get anywhere...
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Postby zan » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:09 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:Bananiot,
I do admire your persistence in trying to talk some sense to those whose minds are as closed today to the feelings and wishes of the TCs, as they were in the 40s and 50s...The mindset represented here by the likes or Paphidis and Oracle ,and their TC equivalents,illustrate how and why we find ourselves in the shit that we stand...Add to this mindset the covert and ouvert manipulations of the other interested parties,and we can see how easy it was to divide and rule us...The frustrating part is,after all these years,and after many things coming to light,these people refuse to change their minds about anything...They will not let truth get in the way of their prejudices....Anybody who seriously considers Grivas as someone suitable to be President of Cyprus,does not belong to the same world as you and I...Despite hundreds of thousands of years of evolution,human beings are still unable to rise above their animalistic ,tribalistic and herd instincts....We still need someone to blame,and we still insist on dividing people as "us" and "them",and we still need God to absolve us from guilt and sin...We don't deserve the gift of life,as most of us simply waste it away with bitterness and hatred...This is the hard lesson I learnt on this Forum... :( :(



It breaks my heart to see that the likes of Oracle and Bafidis have claimed another soul for the devil in you Bir. In all those (sometimes) heated discussions we had I knew I was right but deep down hoped I was wrong. That post of yours where you told Piratis that I was right still is burned in my mind. My heart sank.

I hope that they will not damage you any more and that ou will stop trying to convince a pair of shit stirrers of the best kind. They are measured assassins...Simple as that. Our story has to be told and told again to counter the years of inactivity. That is all that matters and the people who read this Forum. Those with a single brain cell will see through these two...They are their own worst enemy...Long may they live with themselves.......


Zan,
I used to be angry with you a lot,because i thought you were like these two,blind to our part in this saga...In time I came to realise you were simply responding emotionally to all the denial and prejudice you felt aimed at our community...I am sorry it took so long...There is no way any self-respecting TC can live with the likes of Oracle and Paphidis...Not to mention the other more fanatical ones that pop up every now and then...But make no mistake...I still believe any solution other than a democratic one based on one vote one value,equal opportunity and human rights principles would set in concrete our "ethnic' differences,and in the long run prove self defeating...I so wish Cypriots can rise above these animalistic instincts and learn to treat each other as human beings with intrinsic value as such...But there is no way we can put the fate of our community in the hands of the likes of our interlocutors like these two...It was them who convinced me,and not you,because I was really closed to your arguments,I so much wanted you to see the other side of the story as well...I guess we can thank them for small mercies... :wink: :)



you are a generous person Bir and always have been.......I cannot thank them for bringing out the worst in me and for taking me to a place that I never wanted to go.


On the other parts...Our idealism is the same and so is our expectations. Both sides will have to accept a compromise. Realistic compromise! :)
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:34 pm

I agree with zan here. We do need to compromise at this stage. May be, after 100 years of living in harmony and when the likes of oracle, paphitis and the rest of the bigots (TC's included) have long bitten the dust, we can talk again on improvement. Perhaps then we can laugh at the stupidities that almost destroyed us between 1955 - 2009.

Paphitis, however, is amazing. All he saw in the story I posted on the Turkish Cypriot football teams was the denial of the church to let them play a game on church property. He pretended not to understand the political implications of this. Thus, he told us of how happy he would be if we were to decide to abandon Jweish mythology and replace it with ancient Greek mythology.

The other thick head of the company told us in a haste that the church could do whatever it wanted. Simple logic. Their property. Is it worth debating anything with these two?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:42 pm

zan wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:I used to be angry with you a lot,because i thought you were like these two,blind to our part in this saga...In time I came to realise you were simply responding emotionally to all the denial and prejudice you felt aimed at our community...I am sorry it took so long...

you are a generous person Bir and always have been.......I cannot thank them for bringing out the worst in me and for taking me to a place that I never wanted to go.

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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:51 pm

How am I a bigot? By asking questions you find uncomfortable? If you can't answer them, don't conflagrate yourself.

The clucking emanating from you and your cronies, in place of reasoned answers, is nauseating. Frankly you are spending so long preening each other, croaking "niceties", lamenting your imaginary losses, that even Baboons would have come up with something more interesting by now.

Bananiot, of course the Church has a right to say what it uses its property for, as does any other legitimate Institution.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:59 pm

Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:02 pm

Bananiot wrote:I agree with zan here. We do need to compromise at this stage. May be, after 100 years of living in harmony and when the likes of oracle, paphitis and the rest of the bigots (TC's included) have long bitten the dust, we can talk again on improvement. Perhaps then we can laugh at the stupidities that almost destroyed us between 1955 - 2009.

Paphitis, however, is amazing. All he saw in the story I posted on the Turkish Cypriot football teams was the denial of the church to let them play a game on church property. He pretended not to understand the political implications of this. Thus, he told us of how happy he would be if we were to decide to abandon Jweish mythology and replace it with ancient Greek mythology.

The other thick head of the company told us in a haste that the church could do whatever it wanted. Simple logic. Their property. Is it worth debating anything with these two?


The short answer is: NO :)
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:05 pm

miltiades wrote:Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .


You! The CyprusLiving King of the English! :roll:

The only thing Cypriot about you was the help you gave EOKA. But clearly you then missed the Brits too much and followed them home .... :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:12 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:
zan wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Bananiot,
I do admire your persistence in trying to talk some sense to those whose minds are as closed today to the feelings and wishes of the TCs, as they were in the 40s and 50s...The mindset represented here by the likes or Paphidis and Oracle ,and their TC equivalents,illustrate how and why we find ourselves in the shit that we stand...Add to this mindset the covert and ouvert manipulations of the other interested parties,and we can see how easy it was to divide and rule us...The frustrating part is,after all these years,and after many things coming to light,these people refuse to change their minds about anything...They will not let truth get in the way of their prejudices....Anybody who seriously considers Grivas as someone suitable to be President of Cyprus,does not belong to the same world as you and I...Despite hundreds of thousands of years of evolution,human beings are still unable to rise above their animalistic ,tribalistic and herd instincts....We still need someone to blame,and we still insist on dividing people as "us" and "them",and we still need God to absolve us from guilt and sin...We don't deserve the gift of life,as most of us simply waste it away with bitterness and hatred...This is the hard lesson I learnt on this Forum... :( :(



It breaks my heart to see that the likes of Oracle and Bafidis have claimed another soul for the devil in you Bir. In all those (sometimes) heated discussions we had I knew I was right but deep down hoped I was wrong. That post of yours where you told Piratis that I was right still is burned in my mind. My heart sank.

I hope that they will not damage you any more and that ou will stop trying to convince a pair of shit stirrers of the best kind. They are measured assassins...Simple as that. Our story has to be told and told again to counter the years of inactivity. That is all that matters and the people who read this Forum. Those with a single brain cell will see through these two...They are their own worst enemy...Long may they live with themselves.......


Zan,
I used to be angry with you a lot,because i thought you were like these two,blind to our part in this saga...In time I came to realise you were simply responding emotionally to all the denial and prejudice you felt aimed at our community...I am sorry it took so long...There is no way any self-respecting TC can live with the likes of Oracle and Paphidis...Not to mention the other more fanatical ones that pop up every now and then...But make no mistake...I still believe any solution other than a democratic one based on one vote one value,equal opportunity and human rights principles would set in concrete our "ethnic' differences,and in the long run prove self defeating...I so wish Cypriots can rise above these animalistic instincts and learn to treat each other as human beings with intrinsic value as such...But there is no way we can put the fate of our community in the hands of the likes of our interlocutors like these two...It was them who convinced me,and not you,because I was really closed to your arguments,I so much wanted you to see the other side of the story as well...I guess we can thank them for small mercies... :wink: :)


"blind to our part in this saga"? What was our "part in this saga" Birkibrisli?


You know what our part was,Doesntmatter...But if you have forgotten I will give you some hints...Denktash..TMT....Taksim ... Acts of sabotage,intimidation and provocation ...Obstracting the legitimate functioning of the Government in 63....Murders,massacres,rapes, ethnic cleansing and other human rights abuses past 74...
Now don't tell me all this can be justified becuase the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece...It won't wash with me...
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:13 pm

miltiades wrote:Neither Paphitis , a foreign born of Cypriot parents not Oracle are repressentative of the Cypriot people.
Miltiades IS .

None of you are...

Miltiades kisses royal British and American arse.

Oracle kisses Greek arse.

Paphitis kisses Greek & Australian arse.

In other words you're all in the same group of foreign arse kissers! Image
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