Oracle wrote:They were the men at the top. Clearly you agree that they must have had advice, so they couldn't be accused of being corrupted by the amount of power they wielded. A good thing, right?
They weren't the men at the top. Grivas was the leader of the paramilitary Hellenic forces of Cyprus and Makarios was the leader of the GC community. Grivas well trained by fascist, extreme-nationalists and Makarios well educated and moderated by Greek Orthodox church. Now, plz u tell me for what and how Grivas trained by fascist and exteme nationalists; have a guess or do a research abt it plz. How did the Greek Orthodox church and influential arcbishops of Greece moderated Makarios? Was there any difference of on their Great İdea'ls? Have a logical guess or do a research plz. Just a tip for u, nationalism movement in Hellenic nation began in early 1800s...
Oracle wrote:But Makarios must have been the main man who accepted the 1960 Constitution as it was. Perhaps against (better?) advice from Grivas and others to continue the struggle for full self-determination and Democracy.?
In my opinion that is based on my readings from the reliable sources; under the circumstances of 1960 majority of the Hellenic decision power decided to let Makarios agree the 1960 constitution as it is and make an alternative plan for their ultimate goal. The new plan namely Akritas came out in 1963.
Don't make me laugh abt Grivas plz. Grivas and democrasy is totally opposite things. ;d
Oracle wrote:Why would Cyprus, wishing for reinstatement into the Hellenic circle, as a country, have been a Megali Idea? Cyprus did not belong to anyone but Cypriots, and it should have been theirs to do with as they wished.?
If u will pretend like u haven't read anything abt megali idea and it's goal...
Oracle wrote:The Megali Idea was Turkey taking over, extending her "borders"!?
And if u will continue implanting Greeks r the best, f**k the Turks. It is a waste of time for me to discuss anything with u.
Oracle wrote:The majority in Cyprus were always Greek, within recorded history, and hence self-ruled; unless they had been invaded and ruled by others, intermittently.
So what? Being the major settler group makes u the owner of the Cyprus?
Oracle wrote:But you have not convinced me the minority community are politically equal. How could they be? Just by demanding?
(Although I stand by their rights as individuals.)
If u haven't realized yet that TCs r one of the 2 major communities of Cyprus then again I don't have anything to discuss with u abt Cyprus problem.
Bye
Ps:
"The legacy of the Megale Idea in the 1920s and 1930s became a destructive cycle of political rivalry and dictatorships. Instead of seeking compromise and solving national problems, the two sides expended their energy attacking each other. We will return to this in a later lecture, but it is safe to say that the immediate interests of the Greek nation were sacrificed in the service of an illusory Greek nation that might have been, based on the Megale Idea. This fundamental flaw in Greek politics continues as an influence even today: the Megale Idea and aggressive nationalism reappear whenever one side or another needs a rallying point at times of crisis. Both the right-wing Colonels of the 1970s and their leftist successors have employed nationalism this way, and the ongoing Cyprus crisis is fueled by it. After generations of population exchanges, the rationale for Greek irredentism has dwindled but its power has not. "
http://staff.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lect14.htm
It must be getting a bit late for you...
Iremia file den hathike o kosmos !
