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[umit07]

Bafidi it was you who started to compare Australia's capabilities to that of Turkey's, you suggested that Australia had the sufficient resources to attack. Any sort of attack could not be more than a mere "hit and run". On another note, I see that you a persistently comparing air attacking capabilities and basically not taking anything else into account. You cannot control the ground from the air, can you? When it comes to land forces Turkey is incomparable to anyone in the region.

I was only highlighting the well known fact that countries such as Israel, and Australia are regional powers in their own right, whereas Turkey is not.

I was not discussing the possibility of Australia ever attacking Turkey, because as you know, the 2 nations are fairly strong allies.

You will also note that all I ever mention was the destruction of Turkey's infrastructure and not the unrealistic possibility of a full scale ground invasion.

Well Australia being a continent and having basically nothing worth mentioning around it, yes it is a regional power. So if I understand correctly you are trying to say that Israel is much more worthy of the title "regional power" ? Technologically wise yes, Israel is far ahead. But is has no real allies in the region, everyone hates her guts, besides Turkey. If you forget about military might for a minute and look at the relationship between the countries in the middle east, you'd be obliged to say that Turkey has a special relationship bridging relationship with many of the countries in the region. Do not forget the fast developing relations it is having with Turkic nations that range all the way to China. Especially Azerbaijan. Just look at Israel now with all her technology a few Arabs with stones and makeshift missiles are causing her a lot of grief.

[umit07]

Quote DT

"He's right, for once VP is spot on. No one came to our rescue because of Turkey's might and US alliance. Next time you play the victim card VP I'll remind you of this admission."

Next thing you know, you'll shave and put on a black dress for us.

P.S: How do you quote extracts? I'm having problems with it[/quote]

[Paphitis]

Bafidi it was you who started to compare Australia's capabilities to that of Turkey's, you suggested that Australia had the sufficient resources to attack. Any sort of attack could not be more than a mere "hit and run". On another note, I see that you a persistently comparing air attacking capabilities and basically not taking anything else into account. You cannot control the ground from the air, can you? When it comes to land forces Turkey is incomparable to anyone in the region.

I was only highlighting the well known fact that countries such as Israel, and Australia are regional powers in their own right, whereas Turkey is not.

I was not discussing the possibility of Australia ever attacking Turkey, because as you know, the 2 nations are fairly strong allies.

You will also note that all I ever mention was the destruction of Turkey's infrastructure and not the unrealistic possibility of a full scale ground invasion.

Well Australia being a continent and having basically nothing worth mentioning around it, yes it is a regional power. So if I understand correctly you are trying to say that Israel is much more worthy of the title "regional power" ? Technologically wise yes, Israel is far ahead. But is has no real allies in the region, everyone hates her guts, besides Turkey.

Other regional powers within the Asia Pacific region also include such countries as China, India and Pakistan. And lets not forget about Indonesia, and Japan.

[Paphitis]

This is for those of you who may wish to challenge my claim that Australia has bases within Cypriot territory:

Britain had switched its Middle East headquarters to Cyprus in 1954. The island was the new home of the M16 Regional HQ. The intelligence gathered in Cyprus was shared with the Americans under a secret pact called UKUSA pact. Australia, Canada and New Zealand were also parties to this pact and each country was allocated an area of responsibility, with the Middle East being in the Britain’s sphere of influence. By 1955, Cyprus had even greater strategic importance due to the Baghdad Pact. This pact committed Britain to the forward defence of the region, a defence where the Cyprus Air Bases played a crucial part against Soviet expansion.

Source: The Cyprus Conspiracy - America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion

[umit07]

This is for those of you who may wish to challenge my claim that Australia has bases within Cypriot territory:

Britain had switched its Middle East headquarters to Cyprus in 1954. The island was the new home of the M16 Regional HQ. The intelligence gathered in Cyprus was shared with the Americans under a secret pact called UKUSA pact. Australia, Canada and New Zealand were also parties to this pact and each country was allocated an area of responsibility, with the Middle East being in the Britain’s sphere of influence. By 1955, Cyprus had even greater strategic importance due to the Baghdad Pact. This pact committed Britain to the forward defence of the region, a defence where the Cyprus Air Bases played a crucial part against Soviet expansion.

Source: The Cyprus Conspiracy - America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion

The passage you pasted only states that Australia was a party in an intelligence sharing agreement and no more. SBA's belong solely to the UK. Who the UK chooses to provide service to is another matter.

[Paphitis]

This is for those of you who may wish to challenge my claim that Australia has bases within Cypriot territory:

Britain had switched its Middle East headquarters to Cyprus in 1954. The island was the new home of the M16 Regional HQ. The intelligence gathered in Cyprus was shared with the Americans under a secret pact called UKUSA pact. Australia, Canada and New Zealand were also parties to this pact and each country was allocated an area of responsibility, with the Middle East being in the Britain’s sphere of influence. By 1955, Cyprus had even greater strategic importance due to the Baghdad Pact. This pact committed Britain to the forward defence of the region, a defence where the Cyprus Air Bases played a crucial part against Soviet expansion.

Source: The Cyprus Conspiracy - America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion

The passage you pasted only states that Australia was a party in an intelligence sharing agreement and no more. SBA's belong solely to the UK. Who the UK chooses to provide service to is another matter.

You are forgetting about the USA/UK pact and the Baghdad Treaty, which also involves other nations such as Australia, NZ and Canada. Those nations have formed a global intelligence network which involve numerous intelligence spy facilities all over the world, and includes the 2 SBAs in Cyprus, Harold E Holt and Pine Gap in Australia, plus other facilities in Europe, Middle East and North America.

You will also note that any RAF facility worldwide is open to RAAF use, and likewise any RAAF facility is open to the RAF. The 2 services also share a common Commander in Chief for heaven’s sake.

So yes, the 2 SBAs are also vital assets for Australia and are part of a common intelligence chain.

[BirKibrisli]

This thread brings to mind a favourite saying :

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect you have nothing to say,than to open it and remove all doubt..."

[umit07]

This is for those of you who may wish to challenge my claim that Australia has bases within Cypriot territory:

Britain had switched its Middle East headquarters to Cyprus in 1954. The island was the new home of the M16 Regional HQ. The intelligence gathered in Cyprus was shared with the Americans under a secret pact called UKUSA pact. Australia, Canada and New Zealand were also parties to this pact and each country was allocated an area of responsibility, with the Middle East being in the Britain’s sphere of influence. By 1955, Cyprus had even greater strategic importance due to the Baghdad Pact. This pact committed Britain to the forward defence of the region, a defence where the Cyprus Air Bases played a crucial part against Soviet expansion.

Source: The Cyprus Conspiracy - America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion

The passage you pasted only states that Australia was a party in an intelligence sharing agreement and no more. SBA's belong solely to the UK. Who the UK chooses to provide service to is another matter.

You are forgetting about the USA/UK pact and the Baghdad Treaty, which also involves other nations such as Australia, NZ and Canada. Those nations have formed a global intelligence network which involve numerous intelligence spy facilities all over the world, and includes the 2 SBAs in Cyprus, Harold E Holt and Pine Gap in Australia, plus other facilities in Europe, Middle East and North America.

You will also note that any RAF facility worldwide is open to RAAF use, and likewise any RAAF facility is open to the RAF. The 2 services also share a common Commander in Chief for heaven’s sake.

So yes, the 2 SBAs are also vital assets for Australia and are part of a common intelligence chain.

Mate let me put it this way, whatever pact, treaty, agreement the UK has with Australia is for their own good. Australia's armed forces are like their "water boy" as far as they are concerned. When it come to the British they are worse scum then the Americans when it comes to backstabbing. It has been documented that the British had a an abundance of intel about plans of attacking Pearl Harbor during WW2, yet they never shared it with the Americans. Although the Americans had opened up their intel resources 100% to the British.

I know you work for the ADF Bafidi. But long story short, I regret I have to say it but the ADF is no more than a bitch following the British and Americans all over the world.

[umit07]

This thread brings to mind a favourite saying :

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect you have nothing to say,than to open it and remove all doubt..."

It's hard keeping Cypriot's mouths closed. We gotta talk even if it is for the sake of talking shit.

[umit07]

Anyway I am off to bed. Tired from working and not being able to sleep properly. Good night to Bafidi and Birkibrisli, and good afternoon to the rest of the lot.