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Turkey - A Regional Power according to Wikipedia!!!!

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Postby zan » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:07 pm

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I can assure you that there are many things within Australia's arsenal which are not known. You should read up about our joint facilities such as Pine Gap.

Also understand that Australia has maintained a nuclear delivery capability since the late 60s. Australia has been capable of building a nuclear device for over 4 decades. There was also a plan to actually deliver 100 nuclear weapons to Australia in the early 70s, but Australia backed out at the last moment...or so we are told....The strategic delivery system is still maintained. WHY? I leave that one for you.


I can see that there is no shortage of bullshit in the Australian arsenal.


You tell my why these were bought:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=foI7S_nI_bA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCaqfW_Z ... re=related

The above aircraft were bought to provide a strategic nuclear delivery capability.

I've been trying to tell you that in order to be considered a "regional power", you need to have a strategic attack capability.

The RAAF is able to launch an attack on Turkey from Australia, whilst the TAF does not have the same capability. Australia with a mere 50,000 active personell is able to destroy every Turkish airfield within a matter of days, if it needed to. Israel has similar capabilities, and is also considered a regional power.

Turkey is not even equipped with the ordnance to fight a major conflict for more than 2-3 weeks..

Australia, if you do your research is considered a regional power, whereas Turkey is not.


Are you running on your British status or pure OZ?????? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DT. » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:13 pm

You still can't beat the Cypriot Airfoces new addittion. We can take a dump on anyone anywhere with this baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnQhXbzPaSA&NR=1
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:15 pm

zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
observer wrote:Paphitis
I can assure you that there are many things within Australia's arsenal which are not known. You should read up about our joint facilities such as Pine Gap.

Also understand that Australia has maintained a nuclear delivery capability since the late 60s. Australia has been capable of building a nuclear device for over 4 decades. There was also a plan to actually deliver 100 nuclear weapons to Australia in the early 70s, but Australia backed out at the last moment...or so we are told....The strategic delivery system is still maintained. WHY? I leave that one for you.


I can see that there is no shortage of bullshit in the Australian arsenal.


You tell my why these were bought:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=foI7S_nI_bA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCaqfW_Z ... re=related

The above aircraft were bought to provide a strategic nuclear delivery capability.

I've been trying to tell you that in order to be considered a "regional power", you need to have a strategic attack capability.

The RAAF is able to launch an attack on Turkey from Australia, whilst the TAF does not have the same capability. Australia with a mere 50,000 active personell is able to destroy every Turkish airfield within a matter of days, if it needed to. Israel has similar capabilities, and is also considered a regional power.

Turkey is not even equipped with the ordnance to fight a major conflict for more than 2-3 weeks..

Australia, if you do your research is considered a regional power, whereas Turkey is not.


Are you running on your British status or pure OZ?????? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


What British status? :shock:

Are you running on your Mongolian status or pure Turkic? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
observer wrote:Paphitis
I can assure you that there are many things within Australia's arsenal which are not known. You should read up about our joint facilities such as Pine Gap.

Also understand that Australia has maintained a nuclear delivery capability since the late 60s. Australia has been capable of building a nuclear device for over 4 decades. There was also a plan to actually deliver 100 nuclear weapons to Australia in the early 70s, but Australia backed out at the last moment...or so we are told....The strategic delivery system is still maintained. WHY? I leave that one for you.


I can see that there is no shortage of bullshit in the Australian arsenal.


You tell my why these were bought:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=foI7S_nI_bA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCaqfW_Z ... re=related

The above aircraft were bought to provide a strategic nuclear delivery capability.

I've been trying to tell you that in order to be considered a "regional power", you need to have a strategic attack capability.

The RAAF is able to launch an attack on Turkey from Australia, whilst the TAF does not have the same capability. Australia with a mere 50,000 active personell is able to destroy every Turkish airfield within a matter of days, if it needed to. Israel has similar capabilities, and is also considered a regional power.

Turkey is not even equipped with the ordnance to fight a major conflict for more than 2-3 weeks..

Australia, if you do your research is considered a regional power, whereas Turkey is not.


Are you running on your British status or pure OZ?????? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


What British status? :shock:

Are you running on your Mongolian status or pure Turkic? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:


You have a lot to thank the Queen for mate...Thats all I am saying!!!! :wink: 8)
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:24 pm

zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
observer wrote:Paphitis
I can assure you that there are many things within Australia's arsenal which are not known. You should read up about our joint facilities such as Pine Gap.

Also understand that Australia has maintained a nuclear delivery capability since the late 60s. Australia has been capable of building a nuclear device for over 4 decades. There was also a plan to actually deliver 100 nuclear weapons to Australia in the early 70s, but Australia backed out at the last moment...or so we are told....The strategic delivery system is still maintained. WHY? I leave that one for you.


I can see that there is no shortage of bullshit in the Australian arsenal.


You tell my why these were bought:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=foI7S_nI_bA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCaqfW_Z ... re=related

The above aircraft were bought to provide a strategic nuclear delivery capability.

I've been trying to tell you that in order to be considered a "regional power", you need to have a strategic attack capability.

The RAAF is able to launch an attack on Turkey from Australia, whilst the TAF does not have the same capability. Australia with a mere 50,000 active personell is able to destroy every Turkish airfield within a matter of days, if it needed to. Israel has similar capabilities, and is also considered a regional power.

Turkey is not even equipped with the ordnance to fight a major conflict for more than 2-3 weeks..

Australia, if you do your research is considered a regional power, whereas Turkey is not.


Are you running on your British status or pure OZ?????? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


What British status? :shock:

Are you running on your Mongolian status or pure Turkic? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:


You have a lot to thank the Queen for mate...Thats all I am saying!!!! :wink: 8)


The F111 is American. The Queen has nothing to do with it. :wink:

Besides, we are almost ready to ditch the crown once the old hag croaks.. :?
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:48 pm

Turkey is the region's superpower, this a direct consequence of the Junta's incompetance in '74.

...it has the population and the army, and it has the economic strength...

says more about the region, more than anything else...
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:51 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Turkey is the region's superpower, this a direct consequence of the Junta's incompetance in '74.

...it has the population and the army, and it has the economic strength...

says more about the region, more than anything else...


It has a long history since the formation of Turkey way back when...What did she have to fight against what seemed like the whole world........Heart and determination.....
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:53 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Turkey is the region's superpower, this a direct consequence of the Junta's incompetance in '74.

...it has the population and the army, and it has the economic strength...

says more about the region, more than anything else...


So where does Israel fit into the picture?

I ask this because there is a vast difference in capability.
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:33 pm

Regional power and nonsense. Former Turkish President Demirel put it very well when he said that Turkey's annual growth is wiped out by concurrent rises on population. Until Turkey can control its population, he said, it will get nowhere. He became president after serving as prime minister and had been in politics for decades.

Regional power with ability fo influence what exactly in its area? It has bad relations with most of its neighbors- Going clockwise: Armenia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus, Greece, Bulgaria, and not so good relations with other nations in the vicinity like Lebanon and Egypt.

Superpowers tend to make their own military hardware, not buy it (often used) from others. As far as I know Turkey assembles some planes and ships. It has little or no original technological input in its military gear, in fact it has much less than either Serbia or Greece. The same goes for most goods produced in Turkey today, they are badly reversed engineered copies of foreign goods. When the market is tested later this year we will see how many of these copycat factories will survive.
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Postby AWE » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:48 pm

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I can also tell you that Australia alone, with a defence force of 50,000 regulars is also more than capable of destroying Turkey's airports and cripple Turkey's Air Force in a matter of days. And that is from the other side of the world (F111).

So Turkey is definitely no "regional power". That is what we are discussing here.


What absolute and total nonsense!

The F111 has a combat radius of a bit over 2000 KM, tell us as the RAAF does not have Air-to-Air refuelling capability how the Aardvarks would get to Turkey and back? assuming you got over flight rights to Iran, Iraq and Syria!
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