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[YFred]

Paphitis, GR, DT, you do realise that if the Cyprus issue was left up to the Bananiots and the YFreds of this island there would be no issue in the first place. YFred is a moderate TC who came here with good intend, yet you never made an effort to even begin to understand him. Just like your proteges (Papadopoulos, Sampson, Yiorgadjis et al) you are continuing to alienate the decent Turkish Cypriots and throwing them gift-wrapped to the nationalists within the TC community and Turkey. This is prime example of the treacherous game you are playing. We have lost half our country (GC's and TC's) because of this attitude yet you carry on as though nothing has happened, until we lose everything.

YFred, I had the privilage to be a friend with the late Ozgur. His vision for Cyprus will eventually blind the bigots and this island will be saved. Do not give up hope.

This moderate is claiming that 33% of the land was TC and there is no land issue to solve. Enjoy each other.

I suggest you go read what this moderate has been doing for the past couple of days banana. Had he been a GC you'd be all over him like a fly on shit. Instead you stand by this d***head.

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%. You are saying 12%. Obviously there is plenty to discuss. I trust Talat to represent me ant the rest of the TC’s on these negotiations. We all have our deeds. The TC land can be calculated exactly to the donum. Other considerations will have to be made, regarding cheating Turks out of their land in the south and Greeks their land in the north.

When the discussions finish, If I find that I have lost half of my land which I shouldn’t do because all my land is Turkish, honestly bought by my father before 1963 or even all of it. So be it. I would not protest for the good of Cyprus. I would like people to live together in a in a peaceful way, and if we both benefit, why should we go for separation. You see, you slap me in the face one minute and than you say to me by my friend. It does not work anywhere in the world. You keep bringing up Kurds in to these discussions. That’s exactly what Turkey is doing to them. You can’t make friends like that. Get of this high horse of “this is my country and I will tell you what to do.” I personally cannot find who I am. I could be Greek, Turkish, Italian or an Arab. My only allegiance in life is to humanity itself. I lived in Cyprus between 1958 and 1972. I lived the problems. What more can I say to you to start listening before its too late. If there is no agreement we will all loose.

[YFred]

Wrecking it is what happened in 63. Where Eoka and TMT was allowed to get away with Murder on both sides against each other and against their own. If that happens again where a person gets killed but the side killing takes no real action to apprehend that’s exactly what will happen. Judging by the news coming out of the Greek administration justice system of what the courts are doing ( I don’t want tit for tat who has done what”, it is perfectly normal for the TC’s to be a little cautious about a full blown re-unification right now. What will work is if all Cypriots have equal rights in the New Cyprus, with equal rights and fair trading from this point on. How can it fail. What can stop it to go to a position of Anyone wanting to live anywhere they want. Truly European. I must add that even Europe is not there yet. There are restriction who can go where and work.

[YFred]

Can I also explain the "Bu Memleket Bizim" champaign for the moderate Greeks who may not know what it was about, because the extremes will try to use it for their benefit.

As some of us know it’s a poem by Nazim Hikmet about popular uprising.

Just before the barriers opened, 60,000 TC, gathered outside the Presidential Place shouting that amongst other things. They also had a small green map of Cyprus undivided, with that fraze on it hanging on the mirror. It was directed at Turkey. But you cant bite the hand that feeds you. We are having to survie as practical as we can. The more we can look after ourselves, the more we will move away from Turkey.
The only thing is trade. Some on this forum do not realise their actions and the subsequent consequences and instead joke about our vices. This is so common. It happens in London. When a girl or boy cannot earn enough to eat they will turn into prostitute / rent boy. Simple Economics. The secret is free equal trade trade. Full stop.

[DT.]

Paphitis, GR, DT, you do realise that if the Cyprus issue was left up to the Bananiots and the YFreds of this island there would be no issue in the first place. YFred is a moderate TC who came here with good intend, yet you never made an effort to even begin to understand him. Just like your proteges (Papadopoulos, Sampson, Yiorgadjis et al) you are continuing to alienate the decent Turkish Cypriots and throwing them gift-wrapped to the nationalists within the TC community and Turkey. This is prime example of the treacherous game you are playing. We have lost half our country (GC's and TC's) because of this attitude yet you carry on as though nothing has happened, until we lose everything.

YFred, I had the privilage to be a friend with the late Ozgur. His vision for Cyprus will eventually blind the bigots and this island will be saved. Do not give up hope.

This moderate is claiming that 33% of the land was TC and there is no land issue to solve. Enjoy each other.

I suggest you go read what this moderate has been doing for the past couple of days banana. Had he been a GC you'd be all over him like a fly on shit. Instead you stand by this d***head.

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%. You are saying 12%. Obviously there is plenty to discuss. I trust Talat to represent me ant the rest of the TC’s on these negotiations. We all have our deeds. The TC land can be calculated exactly to the donum. Other considerations will have to be made, regarding cheating Turks out of their land in the south and Greeks their land in the north.

When the discussions finish, If I find that I have lost half of my land which I shouldn’t do because all my land is Turkish, honestly bought by my father before 1963 or even all of it. So be it. I would not protest for the good of Cyprus. I would like people to live together in a in a peaceful way, and if we both benefit, why should we go for separation. You see, you slap me in the face one minute and than you say to me by my friend. It does not work anywhere in the world. You keep bringing up Kurds in to these discussions. That’s exactly what Turkey is doing to them. You can’t make friends like that. Get of this high horse of “this is my country and I will tell you what to do.” I personally cannot find who I am. I could be Greek, Turkish, Italian or an Arab. My only allegiance in life is to humanity itself. I lived in Cyprus between 1958 and 1972. I lived the problems. What more can I say to you to start listening before its too late. If there is no agreement we will all loose.

Thats the difference between your TC position and Bananiots TC position, you start at 33% which is ludicrous and has been proven time and time again that if you exclude the govt owned land of the 1960's state the private land owned by TC's was 12% of the island as recorded by the land registry.

Bananiot would never had done that. He would have said to his fellow TC's, listen guys since we only owned 12% of the bloody land why don't we start off at a lower amount so that we can meet half way with the greeks?

I have a problem with you because you shot your mouth off without doing any homework. You provide me with credible evidence of where you saw this 33% ownership number and I'll reciprocate and then we can debate. But to sprout off rubbish for the sake of impressions puts you just lower to me that the partitionists out there. At least with them you know where you stand.

Another thing, considering that we've only exchanged posts once or twice you seem to assume a lot about me. I don't remember once mentioning the Kurds to you to prove an argument. I acknowledge the mistakes made in the 1960's agreement, I acknowledge the concessions that need to be done but I will never accept my kids to live in a country with less rights than any other kid in any other country in the EU.

[Bananiot]

Right, go for the maximum again and history repeats itself. When will we grow up?

[Nikitas]

Even Denktash had said that the Turks owned 29 per cent of the land, he never went for 33 per cent!

It seems we are confused about who the maximalists are in Cyprus!

[Kifeas]

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%.

YFred, how it comes and you have 33% of the land, if you were only the 18.4% of the population, and if you are in this country for 400 years only, and the GCs who were the majority have been existing in Cyprus since time and memorial and for the last 4,000 years at least?

Is it because you as Turks, each one of you worth twice as much as a Greek Cypriot? Is it because you have been longer in this country, and naturally you may have had more land than the newcomers, despite being the majority? Is it because you think you are more clever than the GCs? More hardworking? Explain to me this notion of yours. Why you think you are entitled to 33% of the land? Is it because you are the blessed people of god, like the Israelis believe about themselves? Is it because your dear Mustafa Kemal, your father for most of you, has said to you that "each one of you worth the whole world?"

[Viewpoint]

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%.

YFred, how it comes and you have 33% of the land, if you were only the 18.4% of the population, and if you are in this country for 400 years only, and the GCs who were the majority have been existing in Cyprus since time and memorial and for the last 4,000 years at least?

Is it because you as Turks, each one of you worth twice as much as a Greek Cypriot? Is it because you have been longer in this country, and naturally you may have had more land than the newcomers, despite being the majority? Is it because you think you are more clever than the GCs? More hardworking? Explain to me this notion of yours. Why you think you are entitled to 33% of the land? Is it because you are the blessed people of god, like the Israelis believe about themselves? Is it because your dear Mustafa Kemal, your father for most of you, has said to you that "each one of you worth the whole world?"

Can you provide one example where land distribution is distributed according to the % of population?

[YFred]

Paphitis, GR, DT, you do realise that if the Cyprus issue was left up to the Bananiots and the YFreds of this island there would be no issue in the first place. YFred is a moderate TC who came here with good intend, yet you never made an effort to even begin to understand him. Just like your proteges (Papadopoulos, Sampson, Yiorgadjis et al) you are continuing to alienate the decent Turkish Cypriots and throwing them gift-wrapped to the nationalists within the TC community and Turkey. This is prime example of the treacherous game you are playing. We have lost half our country (GC's and TC's) because of this attitude yet you carry on as though nothing has happened, until we lose everything.

YFred, I had the privilage to be a friend with the late Ozgur. His vision for Cyprus will eventually blind the bigots and this island will be saved. Do not give up hope.

This moderate is claiming that 33% of the land was TC and there is no land issue to solve. Enjoy each other.

I suggest you go read what this moderate has been doing for the past couple of days banana. Had he been a GC you'd be all over him like a fly on shit. Instead you stand by this d***head.

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%. You are saying 12%. Obviously there is plenty to discuss. I trust Talat to represent me ant the rest of the TC’s on these negotiations. We all have our deeds. The TC land can be calculated exactly to the donum. Other considerations will have to be made, regarding cheating Turks out of their land in the south and Greeks their land in the north.

When the discussions finish, If I find that I have lost half of my land which I shouldn’t do because all my land is Turkish, honestly bought by my father before 1963 or even all of it. So be it. I would not protest for the good of Cyprus. I would like people to live together in a in a peaceful way, and if we both benefit, why should we go for separation. You see, you slap me in the face one minute and than you say to me by my friend. It does not work anywhere in the world. You keep bringing up Kurds in to these discussions. That’s exactly what Turkey is doing to them. You can’t make friends like that. Get of this high horse of “this is my country and I will tell you what to do.” I personally cannot find who I am. I could be Greek, Turkish, Italian or an Arab. My only allegiance in life is to humanity itself. I lived in Cyprus between 1958 and 1972. I lived the problems. What more can I say to you to start listening before its too late. If there is no agreement we will all loose.

Thats the difference between your TC position and Bananiots TC position, you start at 33% which is ludicrous and has been proven time and time again that if you exclude the govt owned land of the 1960's state the private land owned by TC's was 12% of the island as recorded by the land registry.

Bananiot would never had done that. He would have said to his fellow TC's, listen guys since we only owned 12% of the bloody land why don't we start off at a lower amount so that we can meet half way with the greeks?

I have a problem with you because you shot your mouth off without doing any homework. You provide me with credible evidence of where you saw this 33% ownership number and I'll reciprocate and then we can debate. But to sprout off rubbish for the sake of impressions puts you just lower to me that the partitionists out there. At least with them you know where you stand.

Another thing, considering that we've only exchanged posts once or twice you seem to assume a lot about me. I don't remember once mentioning the Kurds to you to prove an argument. I acknowledge the mistakes made in the 1960's agreement, I acknowledge the concessions that need to be done but I will never accept my kids to live in a country with less rights than any other kid in any other country in the EU.

I will prove to you that it is not 12%, and since when has all this just included private land. What about Evkaf land. This is extremely complicated issue which is why it will probably take the longest.

[DT.]

Right, go for the maximum again and history repeats itself. When will we grow up?

I can name you 3 moderate TC's on this forum that I completely agree with on the Cyprus issue and are highly respected by all.

How come you get all the fanatic hardcore TC's supporting your every move? VP, Zan, doesntmatter, MrH...

there's something wrong here Banana.