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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:19 pm

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YFred wrote:You see I take issue with your figures. TC had 33% of the land. It has nothing to do with politics. The 18% was the population at 1963. These are the unreasonable demands from the GC side. You are being deliberately woolly to soot your side which in my book is unfair. Why should the turkish side accept less than 33% percent of the land, which they had in the past, and people like me did not object in the interst of all of Cyprus.

I disagree with your analysis. This time he who walks away will loose. Neither can afford to walk away. If it reaches a stalemate than its partition. Neither want that I hope, hence logic says that it will not get too stalemate. There will be an agreement. I believe DISY will back the agreement, will AKEL do the same. That is the biggest obstacle to peace.


Here we go!

Can you please show me how you know the TC's had 33% of the land?


He must of got it from Disnerland's Land Registry or Wikipedia....Image
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:20 pm

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Bananiot wrote:No doubt the aspiration of enosis brought calamity to Cyprus. This is recognised by persons from all political spectra in the RoC. When people such as Paphitis say that enosis has been dead for some years now, I simply laugh, because ressurection is part of the Greek Orthodox legacy. This has brought on the mistrust which was cultivated even more between 1967 and 1974 when solution was practically agreed, only to be rejected by Makarios and his associates who took an oath to shed their last drop of blood for enosis.


What Greek Orthodox Legacy? :?

How is the Greek Orthodox Church going to resurrect ENOSIS when the church itself is in desperate need of resurrection (no pun intended)....Image


You are allowed to remain in denial for ever. It will do no good. What was the message about the last agreement from the church “ You will go to hell if you vote yes”.

I am concerned with the hell the church has put my relatives in now, and I leave the other hell decision to my God. I am fairly confident of where he is sending me personally and even though I’ve not been to a mosque since 12 years old or fasted in my life.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:22 pm

YFred wrote:I should declare my interest in Bafidies in general. I have an empathy with them, because about 20 a year used to come to Lurucina to work for my father during wheat harvest in the 50's. There is a small chance that his ancestors may have worked for my father.
GR and O and all the rest of the gang, dispute that if you can.

Those were the times.


Don't hold your breath sport.
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:22 pm

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DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:You see I take issue with your figures. TC had 33% of the land. It has nothing to do with politics. The 18% was the population at 1963. These are the unreasonable demands from the GC side. You are being deliberately woolly to soot your side which in my book is unfair. Why should the turkish side accept less than 33% percent of the land, which they had in the past, and people like me did not object in the interst of all of Cyprus.

I disagree with your analysis. This time he who walks away will loose. Neither can afford to walk away. If it reaches a stalemate than its partition. Neither want that I hope, hence logic says that it will not get too stalemate. There will be an agreement. I believe DISY will back the agreement, will AKEL do the same. That is the biggest obstacle to peace.


Here we go!

Can you please show me how you know the TC's had 33% of the land?


He must of got it from Disnerland's Land Registry or Wikipedia....Image


You are very good at investigation, I am fairly sure you can do that yourself. But do not worry; it will all come out in the wash. The property issue is up for negotiations next week.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:25 pm

You are allowed to remain in denial for ever. It will do no good. What was the message about the last agreement from the church “ You will go to hell if you vote yes”.


Even if I was to go to hell voting NO, I would still do so. Hell will freeze over if I vote YES..... :lol:
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Postby DT. » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:30 pm

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DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:You see I take issue with your figures. TC had 33% of the land. It has nothing to do with politics. The 18% was the population at 1963. These are the unreasonable demands from the GC side. You are being deliberately woolly to soot your side which in my book is unfair. Why should the turkish side accept less than 33% percent of the land, which they had in the past, and people like me did not object in the interst of all of Cyprus.

I disagree with your analysis. This time he who walks away will loose. Neither can afford to walk away. If it reaches a stalemate than its partition. Neither want that I hope, hence logic says that it will not get too stalemate. There will be an agreement. I believe DISY will back the agreement, will AKEL do the same. That is the biggest obstacle to peace.


Here we go!

Can you please show me how you know the TC's had 33% of the land?


He must of got it from Disnerland's Land Registry or Wikipedia....Image


You are very good at investigation, I am fairly sure you can do that yourself. But do not worry; it will all come out in the wash. The property issue is up for negotiations next week.


You've just posted a very controversial claim that the TC's owned 33% of the island. Could you please provide us with some evidence on this or should I continue in the same manner as yourself and claim that the Nazi's were really volunteer Turks rather than conscripted Germans?
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:31 pm

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You are allowed to remain in denial for ever. It will do no good. What was the message about the last agreement from the church “ You will go to hell if you vote yes”.


Even if I was to go to hell voting NO, I would still do so. Hell will freeze over if I vote YES..... :lol:


Now I understand where you stand. I think you will find that the North pole or Antarctica a more suitable environment for you to live in.

I don’t mind a debate but really!

Goodbye
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Postby DT. » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:32 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
You are allowed to remain in denial for ever. It will do no good. What was the message about the last agreement from the church “ You will go to hell if you vote yes”.


Even if I was to go to hell voting NO, I would still do so. Hell will freeze over if I vote YES..... :lol:


Now I understand where you stand. I think you will find that the North pole or Antarctica a more suitable environment for you to live in.

I don’t mind a debate but really!

Goodbye


Usually people debate by providing credible evidence on their claims.

Still waiting for your 33% evidence.
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Postby YFred » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:42 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:You see I take issue with your figures. TC had 33% of the land. It has nothing to do with politics. The 18% was the population at 1963. These are the unreasonable demands from the GC side. You are being deliberately woolly to soot your side which in my book is unfair. Why should the turkish side accept less than 33% percent of the land, which they had in the past, and people like me did not object in the interst of all of Cyprus.

I disagree with your analysis. This time he who walks away will loose. Neither can afford to walk away. If it reaches a stalemate than its partition. Neither want that I hope, hence logic says that it will not get too stalemate. There will be an agreement. I believe DISY will back the agreement, will AKEL do the same. That is the biggest obstacle to peace.


Here we go!

Can you please show me how you know the TC's had 33% of the land?


He must of got it from Disnerland's Land Registry or Wikipedia....Image


You are very good at investigation, I am fairly sure you can do that yourself. But do not worry; it will all come out in the wash. The property issue is up for negotiations next week.


You've just posted a very controversial claim that the TC's owned 33% of the island. Could you please provide us with some evidence on this or should I continue in the same manner as yourself and claim that the Nazi's were really volunteer Turks rather than conscripted Germans?

Please read my post. It will all by on the negotiating table next week. Surely its not that long to wait? There are maps. These m maps will be put on the table. They will announce exactly how much we had and how much we are going to receive in an agreement situation.

What? are you saying that we only had 18%. Since when did 18% population=18% land.
The chance mathematically of that being true is billions to one and I am no statistician, just a guessing. Or should we be starting too teach you maths now. Your ancestors will turn in their graves with your ignorance.

Goodbye.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:56 pm

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:You see I take issue with your figures. TC had 33% of the land. It has nothing to do with politics. The 18% was the population at 1963. These are the unreasonable demands from the GC side. You are being deliberately woolly to soot your side which in my book is unfair. Why should the turkish side accept less than 33% percent of the land, which they had in the past, and people like me did not object in the interst of all of Cyprus.

I disagree with your analysis. This time he who walks away will loose. Neither can afford to walk away. If it reaches a stalemate than its partition. Neither want that I hope, hence logic says that it will not get too stalemate. There will be an agreement. I believe DISY will back the agreement, will AKEL do the same. That is the biggest obstacle to peace.


Here we go!

Can you please show me how you know the TC's had 33% of the land?


He must of got it from Disnerland's Land Registry or Wikipedia....Image


You are very good at investigation, I am fairly sure you can do that yourself. But do not worry; it will all come out in the wash. The property issue is up for negotiations next week.


You've just posted a very controversial claim that the TC's owned 33% of the island. Could you please provide us with some evidence on this or should I continue in the same manner as yourself and claim that the Nazi's were really volunteer Turks rather than conscripted Germans?

Please read my post. It will all by on the negotiating table next week. Surely its not that long to wait? There are maps. These m maps will be put on the table. They will announce exactly how much we had and how much we are going to receive in an agreement situation.

What? are you saying that we only had 18%. Since when did 18% population=18% land.
The chance mathematically of that being true is billions to one and I am no statistician, just a guessing. Or should we be starting too teach you maths now. Your ancestors will turn in their graves with your ignorance.

Goodbye.


Before you know it, you will have no one to talk to.... :lol:
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