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[denizaksulu]

Apparently, London, Washington and other political circles within Athens and Nicosia, are planning to stage a referendum on a "solution" to the Cyprus Problem in Sep 09.

Analysts are saying that this referendum has as its main objective, to triumphantly clear the way for Turkey's EU accession without Turkey fulfilling any of her obligations towards Cyprus, should the Cypriot electorate accept and endorse such a "solution". The solution is predicted to be a rehashed version of the rejected Annan Plan, with only slight variances.

The Christofias-Talat Plan referendum will be scheduled for Sep 09

According to reliable information, a September 2009 referendum will take place for what analysts are already calling the Christofias - Talat plan, which is apparently nothing more than a rehashed version of the Annan Plan, to please London, Washington and their sold out friends in Athens and Nicosia political circles. The aim is to formally open the way for Turkey's EU summit in the Union in December 2009.

Fileleftheros, 21/12/2008

http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... /2009.html

What amazes me, is how President Christofias finds it acceptable to be negotiating a plan, which in essence, is nothing short of a betrayal to all Cypriots and future generations. A plan which has as its main objective, to legitimise Turkey's influence and domination over Cyprus and still allow her to proceed with her EU accession, without any hindrance.

What makes London, Washington, and all their Athens and Nicosia cronies think that the Cypriot people will accept any such plan that will discriminate against their fundamental human and democratic rights, just to pave the way for Turkey to enter the EU?

Yeh, I can really see Cypriots voting to introduce Apartheid in Cyprus and then roll out the red carpet for Turkeys EU accession.

If I was Greek Cypriot I would not vote for The Annan plan. Would a 're-hasshed' Annan plan be any different? I can see why Turkish Cypriots would vote for the Annan plan, which as far as they are concerned is basically 'Partition'. I would like to see if there is anything different in the new model. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

Thank you Deniz.

Your view is truly fair and non biased.

Another nail in my coffin. I never learn.

You bloody Neo Partitionist.

Get out of Cyprus, you bloomin Turk.

I hope that does the trick!

Dont go overboard, you pesky Aussie.

[Bananiot]

She wrote

Isn't he one of the infamous 3 stooges (along with Charalambous & Droushiotis) whose logic crumbles under dissection by the likes of GR!, Kifeas, DT. Piratis etc

Does etc include oracle? She's good with the scalpel!

[YFred]

When it comes to contemplating the future of Cyprus what really matters is that we acknowledge that the people we call the “Greek Cypriots” today, are the indigenous people of Cyprus whose history goes right back to the very first known ancient settlement of Choirokitia some 9,000 years ago, a priceless inheritance from their ancestors guaranteeing an eternal bond with this land as a result of a complex natural selection process, and if THAT doesn’t cause a warm and fuzzy feeling to run up and down Nicos Rolandis’ spine, then all I can say about the man is that he is either not a Cypriot or just totally spineless!

What happened on Cyprus during the 20th century is not the end-all and be-all of this island’s history but a mere tiny window of it, so there is no excuse for some to get all worked up and assume that we have reached some sort of “crisis point” that calls for dire measures or whatever! Get over yourselves please, because we are all just a tiny spec of this glorious island’s history!

I for one don’t even want to look at any “plans” because as far as I’m concerned they can all apply them to their OWN countries FIRST, show me that they work and I’ll consider them later!

Now, we the Greek Cypriots are happy to accommodate our uninvited guests whom we call today the “Turkish Cypriots” on this island, under a fair & square democratic government and member of the EU, but we will NOT bow down to any stupidities emanating from current foreign powers who are here today and gone tomorrow!

The last time we adopted the “plans” of the foreign fools it ultimately culminated in the top part of the island turning into a Turkish whore house called the “TRNC” and if you listen to them again this time they’ll turn the ENTIRE island into a bloody BORDELLO! Well hell no… enough of their rubbish!

Cyprus is here to stay as a modern and prosperous democracy!


Regards, GR.

Come on you can do better that that. Point by point please.
I know you can.

PS. I think you will find the whore houses in the north are a direct consequence of being suffocated with love.

You have not mentioned those lovely Casinos that is a rage with you southerners.

[YFred]

According to media in Cyprus ...... UN 's are planning to intervane to Cyprus talks ..... NEW UN PLAN is on the WAY ...... wait and see it Ladies and Gentelmen .......

NEW MEN with DOWNER Team came to CYprus ......

Few munites ago talks are started in UN head quarters between Talat and Christofias .


The agenda of the today meeting is ‘the past international agreements’.

In their last meeting, the two leaders reached full agreement on the issue of harmonization and cooperation between the federal government and the constituent states or the federal units.

UN Chief’s Special Advisor for Cyprus Alexander Downer will be present at today’s talks.

Thanks for that bit of good news Halil. Just incase anybody would like to read it

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/44495

[YFred]

I think people here are missing the point. Look: no agreement is perfect, and the Annan plan had its share of flaws. The problem is that people want a perfect plan, and that's not going to happen. So the question should be whether the rehashed plan is going to be any better than the current status quo. Remember that the first rejection cost RoCy a great deal of goodwill intenationally. A second rejection under these circumstances may well result in the partition being recognized... Is that possibility a risk worth taking?

Yes it is. We will chance it rather than sign away our country.

And any solution which sees GCs as second class citizens with diminished democratic and human rights, is much worse than the present status quo.

The possibility of recognition is quite futile due to the numerous UN resolutions deeming the "trnc" UDI as illegal and other UN resolutions which call upon Turkey to withdraw her forces from Cyprus and respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus.

The only avenue left is accession of the "north" by Turkey. Such an act would come at a very big cost..

AWE wrote:

It is only the Cyprus Problem that can truly keep Turkey out of the EU if all other membership requirement were met.

Excellent point!


Zan wrote:

In the same vein....Why doesn't the "RoC" open its governmental doors and invite the return of the TCs to their rightful place. It is a move that neither can take because it would mean the "RoC" was wrong along and that the TRNC would be null and void if it asked before a settlement was going to be signed......It would have to be a big affair for both sides and would mean a virgin birth all over again. Neither side is willing to do this. A double surrender with no winners....Now that would be something!!!

Whilst you illegally occupy 37% of Cyprus, you by default abandon all provisions of the 1960 constitution.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too!

Please consider this.
If the peace agreement fails because the GCs vote no and TC’s vote yes. Then TRNC is dissolved and RNC is created, is that possible and will the united nations be able to pass a single resolution against it under today’s climate with the knowledge of what’s gone on in the last 30 years of peace talks compounded by the importance of Turkey to USA in the region.

Consider this:
You are making a very BIG assumption, that our President will agree on a peace plan to begin with, and not STALL the negotiations if things appear too one sided. Christofias has done enough to ensure that your side is the one that will be held accountable should the negotiations fail, and that WILL leave you in no man’s land as far as recognition and legitimacy are concerned.

Why should their agreement be one sided. They are both reasonable men at heart. And they actually want to solve the problem. Where there is a will, there is a way.
I cannot see Talat falling in the hole Denktas occupied. Also I cannot see Christofias do what Papadobullos did either. Time will tell. Not long left now.

If what Halil says is true and they are moving on to property issue. That is very good news.

[Medman]

Will Disneyland Pile (according to earlier Forum post) be part of the deal?

The people spoke at the last referendum. There will never be a comprehensive plan to meet everyone's needs and desires. Compromise is a must, but we're talking about politicians here. They don't care what the people think as long as their pockets are lined and they're sorted, that's all that counts. I still think the environment will come and bite Cyprus in the ass, where we will all have to get along to survive.

[YFred]

There is a glimmer of hope that this time negotiations between these to left wing leaders might just work. They may just not be the usual politicians we have seen in the past.
Have hope, because without hope there is no future.

[Get Real!]

There is a glimmer of hope that this time negotiations between these to left wing leaders might just work. They may just not be the usual politicians we have seen in the past.
Have hope, because without hope there is no future.

They say that history repeats itself but in reality it’s STUPIDITY that repeats itself because after all it’s hereditary!

Q1. Why did the LAST political arrangement fall apart? (1959 London/Zurich)

A1. Because once the GCs realized what the advantages the TCs were granted really meant they started complaining which led to arguments which led to armed conflict!

Q2. What’s going to happen if the TCs are given advantages again in a second plan?

A2. Go read A1!


Well duh! See how stupidity is hereditary?

[Paphitis]

I think people here are missing the point. Look: no agreement is perfect, and the Annan plan had its share of flaws. The problem is that people want a perfect plan, and that's not going to happen. So the question should be whether the rehashed plan is going to be any better than the current status quo. Remember that the first rejection cost RoCy a great deal of goodwill intenationally. A second rejection under these circumstances may well result in the partition being recognized... Is that possibility a risk worth taking?

Yes it is. We will chance it rather than sign away our country.

And any solution which sees GCs as second class citizens with diminished democratic and human rights, is much worse than the present status quo.

The possibility of recognition is quite futile due to the numerous UN resolutions deeming the "trnc" UDI as illegal and other UN resolutions which call upon Turkey to withdraw her forces from Cyprus and respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus.

The only avenue left is accession of the "north" by Turkey. Such an act would come at a very big cost..

AWE wrote:

It is only the Cyprus Problem that can truly keep Turkey out of the EU if all other membership requirement were met.

Excellent point!


Zan wrote:

In the same vein....Why doesn't the "RoC" open its governmental doors and invite the return of the TCs to their rightful place. It is a move that neither can take because it would mean the "RoC" was wrong along and that the TRNC would be null and void if it asked before a settlement was going to be signed......It would have to be a big affair for both sides and would mean a virgin birth all over again. Neither side is willing to do this. A double surrender with no winners....Now that would be something!!!

Whilst you illegally occupy 37% of Cyprus, you by default abandon all provisions of the 1960 constitution.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too!

Please consider this.
If the peace agreement fails because the GCs vote no and TC’s vote yes. Then TRNC is dissolved and RNC is created, is that possible and will the united nations be able to pass a single resolution against it under today’s climate with the knowledge of what’s gone on in the last 30 years of peace talks compounded by the importance of Turkey to USA in the region.

Consider this:
You are making a very BIG assumption, that our President will agree on a peace plan to begin with, and not STALL the negotiations if things appear too one sided. Christofias has done enough to ensure that your side is the one that will be held accountable should the negotiations fail, and that WILL leave you in no man’s land as far as recognition and legitimacy are concerned.

Why should their agreement be one sided. They are both reasonable men at heart. And they actually want to solve the problem. Where there is a will, there is a way.
I cannot see Talat falling in the hole Denktas occupied. Also I cannot see Christofias do what Papadobullos did either. Time will tell. Not long left now.

If what Halil says is true and they are moving on to property issue. That is very good news.

Do you think that TC demands for a seperate and autonomous FIR is reasonable?

[YFred]

There is a glimmer of hope that this time negotiations between these to left wing leaders might just work. They may just not be the usual politicians we have seen in the past.
Have hope, because without hope there is no future.

They say that history repeats itself but in reality it’s STUPIDITY that repeats itself because after all it’s hereditary!

Q1. Why did the LAST political arrangement fall apart? (1959 London/Zurich)

A1. Because once the GCs realized what the advantages the TCs were granted really meant they started complaining which led to arguments which led to armed conflict!

Q2. What’s going to happen if the TCs are given advantages again in a second plan?

A2. Go read A1!


Well duh! See how stupidity is hereditary?

Of all people, you should know. At least I have a chance of being part Cypriot, part Venician and part Turkish.

You on the other hand are inbred. You'll find the hereditary diseases are more prevalent in inbred people.

You surprise me with your analysis. Your Hellenics mentality is blocking your vision. May I recommend some Cypriot glasses. They are much more effective.

The 1959 agreement was done in the same manner as the last Annan plan.

1. The GC government had no intention of promoting it what so ever, you will find that lost you most of your credit with the EU.
2. The very same people who signed the agreement started the problem.
3. We are where we are.

This time I hope GC government is more sincere in its negotiations and promote the deal that will be worked out. It will not be perfect but it will be fair to both sides.
If UN agrees that its fair. How much fair do you need. Take it from me or your best friend Mr Rolandis that the there will be no next time or it will be worst..

I have a better solution in mind. GCs should have a referendum about joining with Greece. Yes or no. If the Answer is yes than, take your share and do what you wish. I am a democratic person and I wouldn’t want to stand in the way of the will of the people. However if the answer is no, in the interest of all Cypriots, the yes voters should be identified and charged with treason and be given the worst punishment in the world. No No, its not the death penalty which is customary for treason, but pack their bag and sent to Greece.

This may well be the final solution to the Cyprus problem.

The Enosis contingent who caused the Cyprus problem not only have not been purged but they are in position of power now even with Christofias in charge. On the other hand we in the north have pretty well purged the TMT from all the power that they had – Political and Financial. Have you?

Back to Primary school and this time have a Cypriot eduction not Hellenic. Oh no, stupid me, I forgot that can only take place in the north.