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[zan]

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%.

YFred, how it comes and you have 33% of the land, if you were only the 18.4% of the population, and if you are in this country for 400 years only, and the GCs who were the majority have been existing in Cyprus since time and memorial and for the last 4,000 years at least?

Is it because you as Turks, each one of you worth twice as much as a Greek Cypriot? Is it because you have been longer in this country, and naturally you may have had more land than the newcomers, despite being the majority? Is it because you think you are more clever than the GCs? More hardworking? Explain to me this notion of yours. Why you think you are entitled to 33% of the land? Is it because you are the blessed people of god, like the Israelis believe about themselves? Is it because your dear Mustafa Kemal, your father for most of you, has said to you that "each one of you worth the whole world?"

Can you provide one example where land distribution is distributed according to the % of population?

Two reasons.
When land is not measured by population.
Secondly I am certai that we have more that 18% because TC were mainly farmers.
I do not want any more than we are entitled by deeds. But please be aware that even the deeds may not settle this issue because too many things have gone on with people selling land wrongly sometimes not even theirs.

So you mean that if the title deeds show that you only had 17.5% of the private property -or 12.3% of Cyprus's total territory, as it is in fact the case from the 1960 land registry records, you will accept that this is as much as you will obtain. Well, if you are ready to do that, we will be generous and give you more than that, and as much of the real estate value of all private properties of Cyprus as your population was in 1960.

How about enough room to function like a proper state and not have you force us into another enclave where you can throw us a few scraps...You take the government and now you want the best of the island....What do you lose....Nothing.

[Kifeas]

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%.

YFred, how it comes and you have 33% of the land, if you were only the 18.4% of the population, and if you are in this country for 400 years only, and the GCs who were the majority have been existing in Cyprus since time and memorial and for the last 4,000 years at least?

Is it because you as Turks, each one of you worth twice as much as a Greek Cypriot? Is it because you have been longer in this country, and naturally you may have had more land than the newcomers, despite being the majority? Is it because you think you are more clever than the GCs? More hardworking? Explain to me this notion of yours. Why you think you are entitled to 33% of the land? Is it because you are the blessed people of god, like the Israelis believe about themselves? Is it because your dear Mustafa Kemal, your father for most of you, has said to you that "each one of you worth the whole world?"

Can you provide one example where land distribution is distributed according to the % of population?

VP, becasue you are Turks and we are Greeks, and since you as Turks are the chosen people of God and the children of Kemal, whereas we as Greeks are the cursed people of god and the children of our mother and father, we will distribute land on any basis you will decide, but please do not fully follow your father's advice that each one of you worth the whole world, and do let us just a little piece of land so that we will be buried in it once we die. If you do that, we promise to be your slaves for the rest of our lives, because you are Turks and therefore superior and masters, and we are Greeks and therefore inferior and slaves to you. I have been firmly convinced on this by no one else other than Bananiot.

Piratis is stuck in 1500s and this clown is stuck with his Moby Dick of Attaturk....And they laugh at me for mentioning 1963...

Zan, someone counted in the occupied north more than 1,000 statues and heads of Ataturk, and this was only recently. There are more than 100 slogans of Ataturk painted on mountains, hills and buildings in occupied north, such as "how happy to say I am a Turk," and "one Turk equals the whole world." Who is stuck on Ataturk, even the stones will tell you!

[zan]

Come on DT you are now being disingenuous. I said 33%. TC’s have been saying 33%.

YFred, how it comes and you have 33% of the land, if you were only the 18.4% of the population, and if you are in this country for 400 years only, and the GCs who were the majority have been existing in Cyprus since time and memorial and for the last 4,000 years at least?

Is it because you as Turks, each one of you worth twice as much as a Greek Cypriot? Is it because you have been longer in this country, and naturally you may have had more land than the newcomers, despite being the majority? Is it because you think you are more clever than the GCs? More hardworking? Explain to me this notion of yours. Why you think you are entitled to 33% of the land? Is it because you are the blessed people of god, like the Israelis believe about themselves? Is it because your dear Mustafa Kemal, your father for most of you, has said to you that "each one of you worth the whole world?"

Can you provide one example where land distribution is distributed according to the % of population?

VP, becasue you are Turks and we are Greeks, and since you as Turks are the chosen people of God and the children of Kemal, whereas we as Greeks are the cursed people of god and the children of our mother and father, we will distribute land on any basis you will decide, but please do not fully follow your father's advice that each one of you worth the whole world, and do let us just a little piece of land so that we will be buried in it once we die. If you do that, we promise to be your slaves for the rest of our lives, because you are Turks and therefore superior and masters, and we are Greeks and therefore inferior and slaves to you. I have been firmly convinced on this by no one else other than Bananiot.

Piratis is stuck in 1500s and this clown is stuck with his Moby Dick of Attaturk....And they laugh at me for mentioning 1963...

Zan, someone counted in the occupied north more than 1,000 statues and heads of Ataturk, and this was only recently. There are more than 100 slogans of Ataturk painted on mountains, hills and buildings in occupied north, such as "how happy to say I am a Turk," and "one Turk equals the whole world." Who is stuck on Ataturk, even the stones will tell you!

I also hear that Nelson is still keeping his eye open for ships...

What I would do Kifeas is go on a pilgrimage to all of those statues...Visit them all one by one and talk to some people...You might reach the point of enlightenment about what that actually means...The Turkish people, in general, are the politest and most subservient people in the world....Almost chinese like.......It is no worse than saying you are proud to be Greek...

[Get Real!]

I will prove to you that it is not 12%, and since when has all this just included private land. What about Evkaf land. This is extremely complicated issue which is why it will probably take the longest.

This “Evkaf” land you refer to was STOLEN LAND from the indigenous Cypriots by the Ottomans starting from 1571. Luckily, with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and subsequent Treaty of Lausanne (1923) the Ottoman theft went down the drain with the so-called “empire”...

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source:Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

[YFred]

I will prove to you that it is not 12%, and since when has all this just included private land. What about Evkaf land. This is extremely complicated issue which is why it will probably take the longest.

This “Evkaf” land you refer to was STOLEN LAND from the indigenous Cypriots by the Ottomans starting from 1571. Luckily, with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and subsequent Treaty of Lausanne (1923) the Ottoman theft went down the drain with the so-called “empire”...

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source:Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

Here we go ,Efkaf land was stolen!!!!!
Who produced this ecidence?
Was it a GC Ministry which has now bias?
Which percentage does the EFKAF lands fit in?
What is the percentage?

[Kifeas]

I will prove to you that it is not 12%, and since when has all this just included private land. What about Evkaf land. This is extremely complicated issue which is why it will probably take the longest.

This “Evkaf” land you refer to was STOLEN LAND from the indigenous Cypriots by the Ottomans starting from 1571. Luckily, with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and subsequent Treaty of Lausanne (1923) the Ottoman theft went down the drain with the so-called “empire”...

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source:Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

I must have said to you a 100 times already that Church land is not included in the state land, but instead under the GC private property ratio, just like the Evkaf land in the TC private propert ratio. Yet, you continue the same stupid mistake of listing it together with the state owned land. The 26.3% is land owned by the state, and only by the state!

[Get Real!]

I will prove to you that it is not 12%, and since when has all this just included private land. What about Evkaf land. This is extremely complicated issue which is why it will probably take the longest.

This “Evkaf” land you refer to was STOLEN LAND from the indigenous Cypriots by the Ottomans starting from 1571. Luckily, with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and subsequent Treaty of Lausanne (1923) the Ottoman theft went down the drain with the so-called “empire”...

Here we go ,Efkaf land was stolen!!!!!
Who produced this ecidence?

If it wasn't stolen you silly fool then how come the "acquisition" started in 1571... the same year tens of thousands of Cypriots were slaughtered by the Ottomans?

Was it a GC Ministry which has now bias?
Which percentage does the EFKAF lands fit in?
What is the percentage?

You want the percentage of Efkaf land in 2009? Sure here you go...

[Get Real!]

I must have said to you a 100 times already that Church land is not included in the state land, but instead under the GC private property ratio, just like the Evkaf land in the TC private propert ratio. Yet, you continue the same stupid mistake of listing it together with the state owned land. The 26.3% is land owned by the state, and only by the state!

There was a time when "State" and "Church" were one and the same and perhaps this is why this table is presented this way... but anyway, take it up with the dept of L&A because I'm not the author of this table.

[Kifeas]

I must have said to you a 100 times already that Church land is not included in the state land, but instead under the GC private property ratio, just like the Evkaf land in the TC private propert ratio. Yet, you continue the same stupid mistake of listing it together with the state owned land. The 26.3% is land owned by the state, and only by the state!

There was a time when "State" and "Church" were one and the same and perhaps this is why this table is presented this way... but anyway, take it up with the dept of L&A because I'm not the author of this table.

There was no time state and church land were the same. They were always separate.

[Get Real!]

I must have said to you a 100 times already that Church land is not included in the state land, but instead under the GC private property ratio, just like the Evkaf land in the TC private propert ratio. Yet, you continue the same stupid mistake of listing it together with the state owned land. The 26.3% is land owned by the state, and only by the state!

There was a time when "State" and "Church" were one and the same and perhaps this is why this table is presented this way... but anyway, take it up with the dept of L&A because I'm not the author of this table.

There was no time state and church land were the same. They were always separate.

I didn't use the word "land" so be careful because I don't like being misquoted!

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