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[Medman]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

[Paphitis]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

[zan]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

Its called compromise mate.......When you guys learn that it will not all go your way and some price has to be paid for your actions in 1963 and that you will nt return to the ORIGINAL Zurich agreement.....

[Paphitis]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

Its called compromise mate.......When you guys learn that it will not all go your way and some price has to be paid for your actions in 1963 and that you will nt return to the ORIGINAL Zurich agreement.....

I would have thought that a peace plan which would effectively mean that we sign over 100% control of the north to Turkey, and where we only have 50% control in the Federation, is no compromise.

That is more like Turkey trying to use her might to negotiate an unfair settlement to the detriment of GCs, which will see them as second class citizens.

Basic fundamental human and democratic rights are not negotiable.

You name 1 concession that Turkey has made in these negotiations.

If you do want total control over a part of Cyprus which includes a Confederacy structure, which would make it easy for you to split from the union, then you better relinquish some territory. The only way in which GCs could accept such a deal is with an 82-18 split.

[zan]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

Its called compromise mate.......When you guys learn that it will not all go your way and some price has to be paid for your actions in 1963 and that you will nt return to the ORIGINAL Zurich agreement.....

I would have thought that a peace plan which would effectively mean that we sign over 100% control of the north to Turkey, and where we only have 50% control in the Federation, is no compromise.

That is more like Turkey trying to use her might to negotiate an unfair settlement to the detriment of GCs, which will see them as second class citizens.

Basic fundamental human and democratic rights are not negotiable.

You name 1 concession that Turkey has made in these negotiations.

If you do want total control over a part of Cyprus which includes a Confederacy structure, which would make it easy for you to split from the union, then you better relinquish some territory. The only way in which GCs could accept such a deal is with an 82-18 split.

You will sign it over to the TRNC......ust like you are working "WITH" Greece then what we agree with Turkey is none of your business.

We had 18% of land in 1963 mate...What we also had was 30% of government of the whole island......What compromise are you offering us...Our land and no involvement in 82% of our own island......

[Paphitis]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

Its called compromise mate.......When you guys learn that it will not all go your way and some price has to be paid for your actions in 1963 and that you will nt return to the ORIGINAL Zurich agreement.....

I would have thought that a peace plan which would effectively mean that we sign over 100% control of the north to Turkey, and where we only have 50% control in the Federation, is no compromise.

That is more like Turkey trying to use her might to negotiate an unfair settlement to the detriment of GCs, which will see them as second class citizens.

Basic fundamental human and democratic rights are not negotiable.

You name 1 concession that Turkey has made in these negotiations.

If you do want total control over a part of Cyprus which includes a Confederacy structure, which would make it easy for you to split from the union, then you better relinquish some territory. The only way in which GCs could accept such a deal is with an 82-18 split.

You will sign it over to the TRNC......ust like you are working "WITH" Greece then what we agree with Turkey is none of your business.

We had 18% of land in 1963 mate...What we also had was 30% of government of the whole island......What compromise are you offering us...Our land and no involvement in 82% of our own island......

Not my position to be offering anything.

But if it is a return to the 1959 Zurich Agreements you want, then why doesn't Talat just say so? We may just accept it considering that we have maintained the 1960 constitution in its original state.

[zan]

Don't believe a word of it. Political and Paper spin. We've all been there and read it before.
Star signs are more realistic.

Medman, there seems to be much validity in this article, especially when you consider the fact that when Alexander Downer visited Turkey and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs minister, he was pressured to introduce some form of "time frames" or dead line in drafting a unification plan which can be put to a referendum.

The onus does seem to be on drafting a solution just in time for Turkey's EU summit in Dec 09.

However, I fail how to recognise how this will make things easy for Turkey if a unification plan which is discriminatory to fundamental human and democratic rights is going to pave the way for Turkey's EU admission, if the plan is not accepted by both sides.

Its called compromise mate.......When you guys learn that it will not all go your way and some price has to be paid for your actions in 1963 and that you will nt return to the ORIGINAL Zurich agreement.....

I would have thought that a peace plan which would effectively mean that we sign over 100% control of the north to Turkey, and where we only have 50% control in the Federation, is no compromise.

That is more like Turkey trying to use her might to negotiate an unfair settlement to the detriment of GCs, which will see them as second class citizens.

Basic fundamental human and democratic rights are not negotiable.

You name 1 concession that Turkey has made in these negotiations.

If you do want total control over a part of Cyprus which includes a Confederacy structure, which would make it easy for you to split from the union, then you better relinquish some territory. The only way in which GCs could accept such a deal is with an 82-18 split.

You will sign it over to the TRNC......ust like you are working "WITH" Greece then what we agree with Turkey is none of your business.

We had 18% of land in 1963 mate...What we also had was 30% of government of the whole island......What compromise are you offering us...Our land and no involvement in 82% of our own island......

Not my position to be offering anything.

But if it is a return to the 1959 Zurich Agreements you want, then why doesn't Talat just say so? We may just accept it considering that we have maintained the 1960 constitution in its original state.

In the same vein....Why doesn't the "RoC" open its governmental doors and invite the return of the TCs to their rightful place. It is a move that neither can take because it would mean the "RoC" was wrong along and that the TRNC would be null and void if it asked before a settlement was going to be signed......It would have to be a big affair for both sides and would mean a virgin birth all over again. Neither side is willing to do this. A double surrender with no winners....Now that would be something!!!

[Nikitas]

Cyprus has nothing to do with Turkey's accession process in the EU. There are other HUGE problems on the way. They will get bigger as foreign investment in Turkey decreases in the grip of the coming crisis.

To clear your heads, imagine the process as if Cyprus and the problem never existed. Would the way be clear? No it would NOT.

The only difference is that a whole bunch of EU nations would not have an excuse to hide behind, which they now do hiding behind Cyprus.

The only surprise for me is how the Turks fall for that bullshit story that Cyprus is an obstacle etc.

[AWE]

Cyprus has nothing to do with Turkey's accession process in the EU. There are other HUGE problems on the way. They will get bigger as foreign investment in Turkey decreases in the grip of the coming crisis.

To clear your heads, imagine the process as if Cyprus and the problem never existed. Would the way be clear? No it would NOT.

The only difference is that a whole bunch of EU nations would not have an excuse to hide behind, which they now do hiding behind Cyprus.

The only surprise for me is how the Turks fall for that bullshit story that Cyprus is an obstacle etc.

I disagree, Cyprus is a problem for Turkey's EU bid but not the only one.

With a clear head and no Cyprus Problem Turkey would be a lot further along the EU road. It would also be hard for France etc to deny Turkey membership should she meet all the requirements, given that Romania and Bulgaria were allowed in having barely met the requirements and in fact don't meet many of the rules even now.

The problems that Turkey has are the same as any other prospective candidate country regarding Legal, Economic, Political etc and should they be met then membership could not be denied without the EU appearing biased for whatever reason.

It is only the Cyprus Problem that can truly keep Turkey out of the EU if all other membership requirement were met.

[paaul12]

President Christofias does not seem to be a fit and proper person to be handling the Cyprus Issue...

who said that?