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[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"What is done Kikapu cannot get undone, without paying some sort of a price."


Ok, agreed, there is a price, but even a pound of flesh is a pound, it cannot be arbitrarily turned into a ton! Every time I read reports of Talat's demands in the talks the pound seems to get a little heavier.

[denizaksulu]

To earlier posters.Probably the best football pitch in Cyprus.Lefkara.Grandad farmed the field, don't know what he would've made of the football pitch though.

What a coincidence Medman.If you have Google Earth. Bring up Anglissidhes to Max magnification. In Kato Anglissidhes near the first lot of houses, you will notice a football pitch.  That was our Fig plantation and threshing field. I will try to post a Google Earth pic, but am not sure how to do it, yet. The fig trees were a great part of my past life.

Medman, I did not want to post this over exposed photo of the football pitch in our village/Anglissidhes. Once a fig plantation and one corner we used to grow globe artichoke and 'gafkaroukia'. A kind of wild artichoke more like an overgrown Thistle. (same family).  Thankfully not built over. You can just see the goalposts and the 'Flood-lights'. (The grandchildren must have fiddled with the settings )Yes, theLefkara pitch is better than this one.





These two pictures are the house I grew up in. The mud-brich sections have long gone. The loquat tree was planted by me.










The first two pictures are from the main road. The third picture is taken from where the garage used to be. As you see there are no locked doors. Easy access. Because the 'owners' were not in, I did not go in any further. Two visits and havent met yet. No one stays home on sundays.

[zan]

"The Zurich agreement was conceived and signed democratically. "

Conceived by whom? Obviously not by the Cypriots themselves. Signed under duress according to the biographers of both Karamanlis and Makarios. The former pressed the latter to sign it, so that was duress of sorts.

It could be said that the crushing majority won by Makarios in the first elections was a retroactive approval given by the people to the signing of the Zurich agreements. It is a tenuous link to democratic principle.

Democracy is not an abstract notion, it has concrete and precise fundamentals, paramount of which is the principle that ALL power stems from the sovereignty of the people. This sovereignty was not exercised by the Cypriots of either community in 1959.

Today democracy is defined by additional principles, like those embodied in the European Convention of Human Rights, the EU acquis, the UN Charter along with popular sovereignty. Both the 1959 constitution and the Annan plan violated these basics of democracy. The imposed ethnic criteria for president and vice president are obvious violations.

And now that we come this far, and the GCs have not achieved Enosis via the back door, can any one here doubt that Turkey and the TCs have in fact achieved both Enosis and Taksim via both the front and back door? Can anyone deny that this had been their plan all along? The GC extremists failed, but it is also plain that the TC extremists have succeded.

It was conceived by ALL involved......We could easily be talking about the British just running away and Turkey and Greece going to full out war.....You seem to be confusing reality with an idealistic piece of philosophy....What had to be done was done.....Democracy does not mean that the majority gets its way or the most powerful either. The sooner you grow up and face facts of life the better.....

The fact that ENOSIS has been achieved through the EU seems to have past you by as well....The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........Then we can see how powerful Greece and little old "RoC" will be....If we do achieve Taksim at all then it will only be playing catch up to you.

[Kikapu]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

[zan]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

[Kikapu]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

I have never ever heard anyone ever talking about any proportionate voting in the EU, except from you of course, for the past couple of years, Zan. What is it that you know that no one else seems to have a clue on this subject, or is it the case of "wishful thinking" on your part.!

If that was the case, why on earth did the EU allow 2 more states into the EU very recently not to mention all 10 others only 4 years ago, and they are even looking to expand as we speak with more small states.!

[zan]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

I have never ever heard anyone ever talking about any proportionate voting in the EU, except from you of course, for the past couple of years, Zan. What is it that you know that no one else seems to have a clue on this subject, or is it the case of "wishful thinking" on your part.!

If that was the case, why on earth did the EU allow 2 more states into the EU very recently not to mention all 10 others only 4 years ago, and they are even looking to expand as we speak with more small states.!

Not what I am talking about but interesting for France and the "RoC" http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_di ... nlargement

[Kikapu]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

I have never ever heard anyone ever talking about any proportionate voting in the EU, except from you of course, for the past couple of years, Zan. What is it that you know that no one else seems to have a clue on this subject, or is it the case of "wishful thinking" on your part.!

If that was the case, why on earth did the EU allow 2 more states into the EU very recently not to mention all 10 others only 4 years ago, and they are even looking to expand as we speak with more small states.!

Not what I am talking about but interesting for France and the "RoC" http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_di ... nlargement

I'm not a member of that site Zan. Can you please just make the full print for us to read..........thanks.!

[zan]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

I have never ever heard anyone ever talking about any proportionate voting in the EU, except from you of course, for the past couple of years, Zan. What is it that you know that no one else seems to have a clue on this subject, or is it the case of "wishful thinking" on your part.!

If that was the case, why on earth did the EU allow 2 more states into the EU very recently not to mention all 10 others only 4 years ago, and they are even looking to expand as we speak with more small states.!

Not what I am talking about but interesting for France and the "RoC" http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_di ... nlargement

I'm not a member of that site Zan. Can you please just make the full print for us to read..........thanks.!

You don't need to be a member...I'm not.


Try this one and then Google the rest yourself http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3562405.stm

[Kikapu]

The double veto in the EU is your power.....That I hope will change soon........

Still waiting for the proportionate vote to take root in the EU, do you Zan.??

If it ever comes up for a vote in the EU to change the rules by it's members, I'm sure the RoC will vote for it to lose it's veto power rights just to make you happy, Zan.!

Oh yes, also all the other smaller nations will do the same, so that the big boys can have all the fun in running the EU.!

I think you have a better chance seeing the sun rising from the West tomorrow morning.!

Then again, how can you tell the difference in the UK anyway.!

That or the whole thing will fall apart leaving those little countries to fend for themselves....Try thinking along realistic lines dear heart.....

I have never ever heard anyone ever talking about any proportionate voting in the EU, except from you of course, for the past couple of years, Zan. What is it that you know that no one else seems to have a clue on this subject, or is it the case of "wishful thinking" on your part.!

If that was the case, why on earth did the EU allow 2 more states into the EU very recently not to mention all 10 others only 4 years ago, and they are even looking to expand as we speak with more small states.!

Not what I am talking about but interesting for France and the "RoC" http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_di ... nlargement

I'm not a member of that site Zan. Can you please just make the full print for us to read..........thanks.!

You don't need to be a member...I'm not.


Try this one and then Google the rest yourself http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3562405.stm

This only has to do with the EU constitution and not about EU expansion and veto rights of individual states in accepting or rejecting the potential new members.