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[Oracle]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

[Kikapu]

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. However, I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

It appears as if the TC's walked off the government and not forced out as Zan tells us everyday. If the TC's were forced out, then Inonu was telling them to go back and accept the 13 points regardless. If the TC's just walked out, they were being told to go back so not to lose their legal place in the government. I think we did hear from others that Denktash knew he had made a mistake by not going back and regrets it till today. That mistake continues to haunt the TC's legal rights today, I'm afraid.

Denktash is the last person in the world to regret not going back.

Even in a contexts of losing TC's Legal Rights at that time which has hindered TC's getting any kind of recognition in the north today, Iceman. I'm sure Denktash would have referred to have those legal rights today and not have agreed to a BBF in the 70's.

[denizaksulu]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

We NEVER forget. However some of us Cypriots have conveniently selective memories.


We were discussing Kophinou before 1974.

You stated, "We let the Turks in .....". That did not hapen till 1974. Perhaps you wish to withdraw that statement and replace it with another more apt statement?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, Inonu did not ask them to accept the 13 points. Where in heaven did you get this? In fact when Makarios went on a state visit to Turkey, Inonu begged him not to go ahead with the unilateral change of the Constitution. He was giving sound advice to ears that did not want to hear because Makarios and many Greek Cypriots had a different agenda at the time. Inonu was a bloody sane man, no doubt about it.

And the Constitution was not changed Unilaterally, or changed at all.!

I did not say that Inonu told them to accept the 13 points but only implied as to which scenario would best fit to what Inonu told the TC'ds to do by telling them to go back. All I'm saying Bananiot is, the only reason Inonu would tell the TC's to go back to the government would be if the TC's walked off on their own and wanted them to maintain their legal rights in the government. If the TC's were forced to leave the government for not accepting the 13 points, and the only way they would be allowed back into the government is if they would accepted those 13 points, and as you pointed out, that Inonu was a sane man, then Inonu would not have asked the TC's to go back to the government under those condition to accept the 13 points.

One can only deduce from the above, that the TC's must have walked off the government on their own and not forced out regarding the 13 points, or else Inonu would not tell the TC's to go back into the government..

[Bananiot]

Oh yes, and the government was begging them to return. They kept their seats hot, so to speak. Sorry Kikapu, I do not want to sound cynical but your thesis is found wanting big time. By that time the TMT which obviously was under the command of the Turkish Deep State (which set roots about that time) had total control over the Turkish Cypriots mostly because we, the Greek side, sent them gift-wrapped to Denktash. Kucuk was also a moderate politician and he was convinced by that time that the Turkish Cypriots would rather leave Cyprus than return to the RoC. What is done Kikapu cannot get undone, without paying some sort of a price.

[Oracle]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

We NEVER forget. However some of us Cypriots have conveniently selective memories.


We were discussing Kophinou before 1974.

You stated, "We let the Turks in .....". That did not hapen till 1974. Perhaps you wish to withdraw that statement and replace it with another more apt statement?

No Deniz, I don't withdraw the general statement which you saw fit to pigeonhole.

The reasons for the loss of Cypriot culture was being lamented, to which I added my opinion regarding letting in the Turks. No time frames were mentioned, qualifying it only with my personal experience once insults appeared. Then you piped in requiring a perspective to 1974.

Well 1974 was not the beginning of the destruction of our culture by Turks; even 1964 was not ..... but unless we open up all the cans of worms going back, we will spend the better part of the EVE talking about Turks and Ottomans etc.

So let us put this behind us, for now, because the last thing I want to be thinking about at midnight, are the Bloody Turks!

[denizaksulu]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

We NEVER forget. However some of us Cypriots have conveniently selective memories.


We were discussing Kophinou before 1974.

You stated, "We let the Turks in .....". That did not hapen till 1974. Perhaps you wish to withdraw that statement and replace it with another more apt statement?

No Deniz, I don't withdraw the general statement which you saw fit to pigeonhole.

The reasons for the loss of Cypriot culture was being lamented, to which I added my opinion regarding letting in the Turks. No time frames were mentioned, qualifying it only with my personal experience once insults appeared. Then you piped in requiring a perspective to 1974.

Well 1974 was not the beginning of the destruction of our culture by Turks; even 1964 was not ..... but unless we open up all the cans of worms going back, we will spend the better part of the EVE talking about Turks and Ottomans etc.

So let us put this behind us, for now, because the last thing I want to be thinking about at midnight, are the Bloody Turks!

What a relief for the Turks. I am sure they are greatful for that.


I suppose the title of this thread is incorrect too. Oh well.

Happy New Year to those who can read

[Kikapu]

Oh yes, and the government was begging them to return. They kept their seats hot, so to speak. Sorry Kikapu, I do not want to sound cynical but your thesis is found wanting big time. By that time the TMT which obviously was under the command of the Turkish Deep State (which set roots about that time) had total control over the Turkish Cypriots mostly because we, the Greek side, sent them gift-wrapped to Denktash. Kucuk was also a moderate politician and he was convinced by that time that the Turkish Cypriots would rather leave Cyprus than return to the RoC. What is done Kikapu cannot get undone, without paying some sort of a price.

Oh yes, and the government was begging them to return. They kept their seats hot, so to speak

Are you kidding.! Of course they did not. A gift from heaven falling onto the laps of the GC's after the TC's said NO to the 13 points, so now there was no longer a 13 point problems. But that is another issues. My focus is on why did Inonu told the TC's to go back to the government.? If the TC's were forced out, then Inonu would be calling the GC's as a guarantor power to allow the TC's to take their place in the government, but no, he calls the TC's to tell them to go back. So to me, I can only conclude, that Inonu was telling the TC's "listen, you better go back the same way you walked out and just ignore the 13 points because the GC's can't do anything without your approval to change the constitution and we are here to see to it, but you must go back or else you will lose your places in the government, and the GC's will do as they please with the constitution if you are not there".

TMT or not, Bananiot. The way I read Inonu's warnings to the TC's, and TC's refusal to go back, it was already decided by the TC's, that this was the beginning of Taksim no matter what the GC's wanted to do by this time. If Inonu could not persuade the TC's to go back to the government, how could Makarios do it. The dye was cast at that point. So, just who do you now want to place some, most or all of the blame and just how little or large a price should be paid to make it right after 44 years, and just who should bear some or all of that cost Bananiot, in order to give Cyprus a new start.?

All yours Bananiot.!

[Oracle]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

We NEVER forget. However some of us Cypriots have conveniently selective memories.


We were discussing Kophinou before 1974.

You stated, "We let the Turks in .....". That did not hapen till 1974. Perhaps you wish to withdraw that statement and replace it with another more apt statement?

No Deniz, I don't withdraw the general statement which you saw fit to pigeonhole.

The reasons for the loss of Cypriot culture was being lamented, to which I added my opinion regarding letting in the Turks. No time frames were mentioned, qualifying it only with my personal experience once insults appeared. Then you piped in requiring a perspective to 1974.

Well 1974 was not the beginning of the destruction of our culture by Turks; even 1964 was not ..... but unless we open up all the cans of worms going back, we will spend the better part of the EVE talking about Turks and Ottomans etc.

So let us put this behind us, for now, because the last thing I want to be thinking about at midnight, are the Bloody Turks!

What a relief for the Turks. I am sure they are greatful for that.


I suppose the title of this thread is incorrect too. Oh well.

Happy New Year to those who can read

I take it "sticking to the thread topic", is one of your New Year Resolutions ... Henceforth!

[denizaksulu]

We let the Turks in .....

Kophinou happened before 1974 Oracle.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the Turks also bombed and Napalmed us in 1964?

We NEVER forget. However some of us Cypriots have conveniently selective memories.


We were discussing Kophinou before 1974.

You stated, "We let the Turks in .....". That did not hapen till 1974. Perhaps you wish to withdraw that statement and replace it with another more apt statement?

No Deniz, I don't withdraw the general statement which you saw fit to pigeonhole.

The reasons for the loss of Cypriot culture was being lamented, to which I added my opinion regarding letting in the Turks. No time frames were mentioned, qualifying it only with my personal experience once insults appeared. Then you piped in requiring a perspective to 1974.

Well 1974 was not the beginning of the destruction of our culture by Turks; even 1964 was not ..... but unless we open up all the cans of worms going back, we will spend the better part of the EVE talking about Turks and Ottomans etc.

So let us put this behind us, for now, because the last thing I want to be thinking about at midnight, are the Bloody Turks!

What a relief for the Turks. I am sure they are greatful for that.


I suppose the title of this thread is incorrect too. Oh well.

Happy New Year to those who can read

I take it "sticking to the thread topic", is one of your New Year Resolutions ... Henceforth!

Going off a tangent easily done.