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Postby Truth » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:16 pm

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Truth wrote:Who is the liar here?
Michael Stephens, myself or Oracle?

Michael Stephens 100% who is paid to write pro-turkish views. :wink:


Michael Stephens' quotation is accurate.

Page xiii, paragraph 31 of this document contains the quotation made by Michael Stephens, exactly as quoted by Michael Stephens.

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Postby Paphitis » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Truth wrote:Who is the liar here?
Michael Stephens, myself or Oracle?

Michael Stephens 100% who is paid to write pro-turkish views. :wink:


Are you guys talking about the same Michael Stephens, who writes for this well known Turkish Propaganda site? :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/reference/

He is an official member of "Friends of Turkey" :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/membership/index.html

So much for this reliable source....
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Postby Truth » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:48 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Truth wrote:Who is the liar here?
Michael Stephens, myself or Oracle?

Michael Stephens 100% who is paid to write pro-turkish views. :wink:


Are you guys talking about the same Michael Stephens, who writes for this well known Turkish Propaganda site? :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/reference/

He is an official member of "Friends of Turkey" :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/membership/index.html

So much for this reliable source....


You can repeat that 1000 times but you cannot change the fact that the quotation Michael Stephens made is accurate and Oracle is a liar.
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:07 pm

Truth wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Truth wrote:Who is the liar here?
Michael Stephens, myself or Oracle?

Michael Stephens 100% who is paid to write pro-turkish views. :wink:


Are you guys talking about the same Michael Stephens, who writes for this well known Turkish Propaganda site? :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/reference/

He is an official member of "Friends of Turkey" :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/membership/index.html

So much for this reliable source....


You can repeat that 1000 times but you cannot change the fact that the quotation Michael Stephens made is accurate and Oracle is a liar.


The RoC legislature NEVER passed any resolution in favour of ENOSIS. That is a fact!

Makarios was bitterly opposed to ENOSIS by 1967.

You a going to have to do a bit better than a reposrt from a "Friend of Turkey", I'm afraid. :?

There is nothing credible for us to counter here.

See ya!
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Postby Truth » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Truth wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Truth wrote:Who is the liar here?
Michael Stephens, myself or Oracle?

Michael Stephens 100% who is paid to write pro-turkish views. :wink:


Are you guys talking about the same Michael Stephens, who writes for this well known Turkish Propaganda site? :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/reference/

He is an official member of "Friends of Turkey" :lol:

http://www.ataa.org/membership/index.html

So much for this reliable source....


You can repeat that 1000 times but you cannot change the fact that the quotation Michael Stephens made is accurate and Oracle is a liar.


The RoC legislature NEVER passed any resolution in favour of ENOSIS. That is a fact!

Makarios was bitterly opposed to ENOSIS by 1967.

You a going to have to do a bit better than a reposrt from a "Friend of Turkey", I'm afraid. :?

There is nothing credible for us to counter here.

See ya!



I am not sure if you do not understand, or you do not want to understand.

This is the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee report on Cyprus 2 July 1987.
There is no Michael Stephens in it.
Michael Stephens quoted from it.

Understood?

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Page xiii, paragraph 31 of this document contains the quotation made by Michael Stephens, exactly as quoted by Michael Stephens.

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Postby Paphitis » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:20 pm

Why would I want to download it when it is just the opinion of a Friend of Turkey parliamentarian which just so happens to contradict the official position of the House of Commons and the Republic of Cyprus Parliamentary archives? :?
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Postby Truth » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:27 pm

Paphitis wrote:Why would I want to download it when it is just the opinion of a Friend of Turkey parliamentarian which just so happens to contradict the official position of the House of Commons and the Republic of Cyprus Parliamentary archives? :?


This is the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee report on Cyprus 2 July 1987.
There is no Michael Stephens in it.
Michael Stephens quoted from it.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:32 pm

What you need to do, is find this alleged legislature, because to date this is opinion/conjecture/propaganda. Call it what you will ... but it is not evidence. What is more, there was no facilitation of any such legislature.

Your whole premise is based on what someone has said, initially passed on by you, via Michael Stephens. As we correctly pointed out to you.

So until you show us proof of such legislation, having been passed or even in practice, then these opinions remain baseless and unfounded.

If you look carefully at the articles, when evidence is presented, there is usually a reference to where the evidence exists.

This quote/claim has no REFERENCE!
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Postby Truth » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:What constitutes “CREDIBLE EVIDENCE”?

CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is evidence acquired from an unbiased public domain source that is considered an internationally recognized authority on one or more areas pertaining to the issue at hand.

GOOD sources of evidence include:
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5. The many British documents made public; needless to remind that the British ruled Cyprus between 1878 and 1960, and were therefore in an excellent position to determine fact from fiction.


Hi Get Real!,

Can you tell Paphitis in Greek.
Maybe he does not understand English.


This is the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee report on Cyprus 2 July 1987.
There is no Michael Stephens in it.
Michael Stephens quoted from it.


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You can download the entire document.
http://boxstr.com/files/4581351_adyoc/HCForeignAff1987Cyprus.zip 5MB

Page xiii, paragraph 31 of this document contains the quotation made by Michael Stephens, exactly as quoted by Michael Stephens.

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Postby Paphitis » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:40 pm

This is getting ridiculous.... :?

GR Wrote:
Stephen Michael or as he is sometimes known Michael Stephen, works for the infamous "BOW GROUP" hired by Turkey and/or the “TRNC” to help them out with their poor image and propaganda...


http://www.bowgroup.org/

Who are we?
The British Cyprus Memorial Trust includes General Sir John Waters, who saw active service in Cyprus with the Gloucestershire Regiment, Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon, president of the Battle of Britain Memorial Trust, former Chief of the Air Staff and who served in Cyprus in the early 1960s, and Lieut. General Sir Henry Beverley, who was in Cyprus on active service with the Royal Marines.

The three linked associations which the Trust represents are:

The British Cyprus Veterans Association, membership of which is open to all those who have served with the British Armed Forces in Cyprus, and the president of which is Lord Glentoran who was there during the 1955-59 Emergency with the Grenadier Guards;

The Cyprus Memorial Family Association, for relatives of those remembered on the memorial, and the president of which is the Earl of Ilchester, whose cousin and then heir to his title, was killed in Famagusta in 1958 while serving with the Royal Horse Guards; and

Friends of the Cyprus Memorial, which includes the Royal British Legion, and the president of which is The Lord Maginnis of Drumglass, a former officer with the Ulster Defence Regiment (now the Royal Irish Regiment)

The chairman of the management committee is former MP Michael Stephen, a barrister specialising in international affairs who saw service with The Life Guards.


http://www.britishcyprusmemorial.org/in ... t/whoarewe

Sorry, but Michael Stephen is clearly a Friend of Turkey and so his reports are not classified as credible.
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