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[Paphitis]

If as you say, they were such flimsy arrangements that the police could simply have dismantled them, why didn't they? And was it because the Police force had an inordinately large proportion of TCs, who would not have upheld their oath to the people as a whole, but to TCs, in a segregationist manner?

Sorry, I never said that there were such flimsy arrangements on the island. I did not even know about this complex police structure that you mention. I just pointed out that the Cyprus Police would have been more than capable of busting this simplistic blockade. In the end, it was the CNG that was called in and not the Cyprus Police.

I was referring to the 12,000 Greek troops deploying to Cyprus in order to facilitate ENOSIS as was admitted by a Greek Parliamentary debate that involved Papandreou and Mitsotakis.

[Paphitis]

That is what I was referring to:

In the summer of 1964, the State Department told Athens in no uncertain terms that it must deal with Makarios. There, the premier was now George Papandreou, patriarch of the other dynasty with which Greece continues to be afflicted to this day, who had set British troops on his countrymen in 1944. Hastening to agree that Cyprus must be brought under Nato control if it was not to be ‘transformed into another Cuba’, he sent Grivas back to Cyprus, with the placet of Washington and London, as the man best able to replace Makarios. There, Grivas took charge of the National Guard that had been created in the spring, expanding it with forces brought from the mainland, and openly announcing: ‘There is only one army in Cyprus – the Greek army.’ Quite willing to accept double enosis, so long as the portion acceding to Turkey was small, his immediate aim was to undermine Makarios’s authority by building a force loyal to himself, capable of dominating the larger part that would accede to Greece.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

The 12,000 Greek troops deployed to Cyprus to facilitate double union.. This is what was referred to by Nikitas and was admitted to by Papandreou and Mitsotakis..

[lovernomore]

you can keep lying and destorting history all you like. you are only kiding yourself. the rest of the world nkno exacly what your plans was and what would happen to Tcs for your dreaem of ENOSIS.
the way you defend your lies make you all criminals.

Greeks in general. They are a nation of liars: brilliant liars, spectacular liars, breathtaking liars.

[miltiades]

you can keep lying and destorting history all you like. you are only kiding yourself. the rest of the world nkno exacly what your plans was and what would happen to Tcs for your dreaem of ENOSIS.
the way you defend your lies make you all criminals.

Greeks in general. They are a nation of liars: brilliant liars, spectacular liars, breathtaking liars.

And you are full of crap once again little man

[DT.]

you can keep lying and destorting history all you like. you are only kiding yourself. the rest of the world nkno exacly what your plans was and what would happen to Tcs for your dreaem of ENOSIS.
the way you defend your lies make you all criminals.

Greeks in general. They are a nation of liars: brilliant liars, spectacular liars, breathtaking liars.

He watches one movie and he's posting lines from it all over the place.

[Truth]

Truth?

...as quickly he/she came he/she is gone...

welcome Truth, are you still with us?

Hi repulsewarrior,

'He' actually...

I am really sorry for my intrusion into this forum without knowing much about past discussions, affiliation of its members and its traditions.

What happened was that, I thought, Oracle, not being not being very friendly (!) to me, and being a VIP, was preparing to ban me from the forum. Moreover, when I logged on after my last message, I could not find this post, not even under 'View your posts' list. Then I assumed that I was chucked out.

I am pleased to find the post again, and especially the serious contributions that were made in the mean time.

[Truth]

I am compelled to assume that you have also no objections to the quotations I have made above from Daily Express, Guardian, Daily Herald, Observer, Washington Post.

If this is the case, I have no quarrel with you.

What quotes?

Hi Get Real!,

I have quoted above from the following document:

House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee
Cyprus Second Report Volume II
Oral and written evidence
Ordered by The House of Commons to be printed 1 February 2005
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113ii.pdf

In this document there are several submissions to the committee. One is by Stephen Michael. He may be sympathetic to TCs. But is that a sufficient ground to argue that everything he writes is rubbish? Even if he was paid by Turks to write what he did, if he has made a good research an uncovered some firsthand material, wouldn't that be money well spent?

OK, you have asked for my quotes from Daily Express, Guardian, Daily Herald, Observer, Washington Post. Here they are again, this time without a word from Stephen Michael:

“We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.”
The Daily Express, 28 December 1963

“It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor—allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats.”
The Guardian, 31 December 1963

“When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children’s cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.”
The Daily Herald, 1 January 1964

“The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers.”
The Daily Telegraph, 2 January 1964

“Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide.”
The Washington Post, 17 February 1964

This is written evidence submitted to the UK House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, which is accepted by the Committee and printed as a UK parliament document.

[Truth]

you can keep lying and destorting history all you like. you are only kiding yourself. the rest of the world nkno exacly what your plans was and what would happen to Tcs for your dreaem of ENOSIS.
the way you defend your lies make you all criminals.

Greeks in general. They are a nation of liars: brilliant liars, spectacular liars, breathtaking liars.

Hi lovernomore,

I find this kind of talk extremely offensive, racist and ignorant.

You cannot blame a whole nation for the deeds of some of its members, even when they constitute the majority of that nation at a given time period.

Look at this:

Before 1974:

After 1974:

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1768274.stm

Looking at these pictures, will you call the entire Turkish nation as barbarian looters and ransackers?

[DT.]

you can keep lying and destorting history all you like. you are only kiding yourself. the rest of the world nkno exacly what your plans was and what would happen to Tcs for your dreaem of ENOSIS.
the way you defend your lies make you all criminals.

Greeks in general. They are a nation of liars: brilliant liars, spectacular liars, breathtaking liars.

Hi lovernomore,

I find this kind of talk extremely offensive, racist and ignorant.

You cannot blame a whole nation for the deeds of some of its members, even when they constitute the majority of that nation at a given time period.

Look at this:

Before 1974:

After 1974:

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1768274.stm

Looking at these pictures, will you call the entire Turkish nation as barbarian looters and ransackers?

Then when 40,000 of your kind are murdering and pillaging and you're helping them we shouldn't consider all of you racists and murderers despite the majority of you behaving that way?

[Truth]

Then when 40,000 of your kind are murdering and pillaging and you're helping them we shouldn't consider all of you racists and murderers despite the majority of you behaving that way?

I sometimes lose my faith in humanity because there are still racists like you and lovernomore on both sides.

Did you read my quotes from Daily Express, Guardian, Daily Herald, Observer, Washington Post (1963-64)?

I think it's time for you to realise that what you complain about is only a consequence of murderous actions certain types of GCs.