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[Bananiot]

I do not know as to how genuine Truth is but GR, your theory on why the Greek Army came to Cyprus stings. You may get some bigots or naive people to believe you, but those that matter will simply laugh.

[Nikitas]

In the parliamentary debate on Cyprus, in which most of the men who served as ministers in 1964 took part- Mitsotakis, Papandreou being the most important, it was admitted that one division of troops was sent to Cyprus in pursuit of a policy which had union as its goal. So much for the number of troops and the reason they were sent to Cyprus.

The division was withdrawn following the Kofinou clash of 1967 after the Evros agreement signed between dictator Papadopoulos and Turkey.

From that time on Turkey put into effect its invasion and partition policy. Putting together invasion capabilities does not happen overnight, it takes many years of aquisitions, training, planning and putting logistics in place.

Se we can all agree that the Enosis goal was abandoned by 1968, not only by Cyprus, but also by Greece as evidenced by the Evros agreement.

We must also agree that Turkey never abandoned its aims to invade and partition the island when the opportunity arose.

[Get Real!]

The division was withdrawn following the Kofinou clash of 1967 after the Evros agreement signed between dictator Papadopoulos and Turkey.

Nikitas is right about the departure year...

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

Check out this interesting piece in the first paragraph...

As the National Guard unit was reinforced on 28 February, Turkish Cypriot fighters moved forward at nearby Ayios Theodhoros, where they also manhandled senior UNFICYP officers. There was severe friction between UNFICYP and Turkish Cypriot fighters in Kophinou, and the situation also deteriorated in the Paphos and Lefka districts.

[repulsewarrior]

Truth?

...as quickly he/she came he/she is gone...

welcome Truth, are you still with us?

[Paphitis]

The division was withdrawn following the Kofinou clash of 1967 after the Evros agreement signed between dictator Papadopoulos and Turkey.

Nikitas is right about the departure year...

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

Check out this interesting piece in the first paragraph...

As the National Guard unit was reinforced on 28 February, Turkish Cypriot fighters moved forward at nearby Ayios Theodhoros, where they also manhandled senior UNFICYP officers. There was severe friction between UNFICYP and Turkish Cypriot fighters in Kophinou, and the situation also deteriorated in the Paphos and Lefka districts.

I think you have deliberately missed Nikita's main point.

Nikitas stated that according to a parliamentary debate in Greece between most Greek ministers in 1964, which included Papandreou and Mitsotakis, it was admitted that the reason why Greek troops were sent to Cyprus was to facilitate or bring about ENOSIS. The Division of Greek troops were not sent to Cyprus for the Kophinou blockade which you claim. Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

This is what Nikitas stated:

In the parliamentary debate on Cyprus, in which most of the men who served as ministers in 1964 took part- Mitsotakis, Papandreou being the most important, it was admitted that one division of troops was sent to Cyprus in pursuit of a policy which had union as its goal. So much for the number of troops and the reason they were sent to Cyprus.

[Oracle]

The division was withdrawn following the Kofinou clash of 1967 after the Evros agreement signed between dictator Papadopoulos and Turkey.

Nikitas is right about the departure year...

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

Check out this interesting piece in the first paragraph...

As the National Guard unit was reinforced on 28 February, Turkish Cypriot fighters moved forward at nearby Ayios Theodhoros, where they also manhandled senior UNFICYP officers. There was severe friction between UNFICYP and Turkish Cypriot fighters in Kophinou, and the situation also deteriorated in the Paphos and Lefka districts.

I think you have deliberately missed Nikita's main point.

Nikitas stated that according to a parliamentary debate in Greece between most Greek ministers in 1964, which included Papandreou and Mitsotakis, it was admitted that the reason why Greek troops were sent to Cyprus was to facilitate or bring about ENOSIS. The Division of Greek troops were not sent to Cyprus for the Kophinou blockade which you claim. Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

... Yes, but weren't the Cyprus Police at the time, mostly TCs?

[Paphitis]

The division was withdrawn following the Kofinou clash of 1967 after the Evros agreement signed between dictator Papadopoulos and Turkey.

Nikitas is right about the departure year...

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

Check out this interesting piece in the first paragraph...

As the National Guard unit was reinforced on 28 February, Turkish Cypriot fighters moved forward at nearby Ayios Theodhoros, where they also manhandled senior UNFICYP officers. There was severe friction between UNFICYP and Turkish Cypriot fighters in Kophinou, and the situation also deteriorated in the Paphos and Lefka districts.

I think you have deliberately missed Nikita's main point.

Nikitas stated that according to a parliamentary debate in Greece between most Greek ministers in 1964, which included Papandreou and Mitsotakis, it was admitted that the reason why Greek troops were sent to Cyprus was to facilitate or bring about ENOSIS. The Division of Greek troops were not sent to Cyprus for the Kophinou blockade which you claim. Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

... Yes, but weren't the Cyprus Police at the time, mostly TCs?

As far as I know, about 30% of the Cyprus Police force were TC. Although this may have changed due to the intercommunal violence and the 63 constitutional crisis.

You don't need 12,000 Greek troops to break a blockade by poorly trained and equipped TMT. The insinuation that the 12,000 Greek troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, is totally wrong. The troops deployed to Cyprus to facilitate ENOSIS.

[Oracle]

... Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

... Yes, but weren't the Cyprus Police at the time, mostly TCs?

As far as I know, about 30% of the Cyprus Police force were TC. Although this may have changed due to the intercommunal violence and the 63 constitutional crisis.

You don't need 12,000 Greek troops to break a blockade by poorly trained and equipped TMT. The insinuation that the 12,000 Greek troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, is totally wrong. The troops deployed to Cyprus to facilitate ENOSIS.

According to the government website, the Chief of the Gendarmerie up until 1964 (at least) was a TC.

Cyprus Police was set up with the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960. Two Public Security Forces were established within the framework of the Constitution: the Police Force, which was responsible for policing the urban areas, and the Gendarmerie, which was responsible for policing rural areas. A Greek-Cypriot Chief and a Turkish-Cypriot Chief administered the two Forces respectively.

Shortly after the inter-communal troubles of 1964 and the abandonment of the posts held by Turkish-Cypriot police officers, the two forces merged to form the present Police.

[Paphitis]

... Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

... Yes, but weren't the Cyprus Police at the time, mostly TCs?

As far as I know, about 30% of the Cyprus Police force were TC. Although this may have changed due to the intercommunal violence and the 63 constitutional crisis.

You don't need 12,000 Greek troops to break a blockade by poorly trained and equipped TMT. The insinuation that the 12,000 Greek troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, is totally wrong. The troops deployed to Cyprus to facilitate ENOSIS.

According to the government website, the Chief of the Gendarmerie up until 1964 (at least) was a TC.

Cyprus Police was set up with the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960. Two Public Security Forces were established within the framework of the Constitution: the Police Force, which was responsible for policing the urban areas, and the Gendarmerie, which was responsible for policing rural areas. A Greek-Cypriot Chief and a Turkish-Cypriot Chief administered the two Forces respectively.

Shortly after the inter-communal troubles of 1964 and the abandonment of the posts held by Turkish-Cypriot police officers, the two forces merged to form the present Police.

http://www.police.gov.cy/police/police. ... endocument

Sorry, but I don't see how all this is relevant.

I fail to see how all this has anything to do with GR!'s false insinuation that the 12,000 Greek Troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, and not to facilitate ENOSIS...

Wasn't the CNG used to smash the blockade anyway? This also suggests that the Greek Troops were not deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou Blockade but were deployed to facilitate ENOSIS as per the admissions of Papandreou and Mitsotakis during a Parliamentary Debate.

[Oracle]

... Why the hell would Greece be required to send 12,000 troops to break a TC blockade by 100 or so TMT? Even the Cyprus Police alone would have been enough to break the blockade.

... Yes, but weren't the Cyprus Police at the time, mostly TCs?

As far as I know, about 30% of the Cyprus Police force were TC. Although this may have changed due to the intercommunal violence and the 63 constitutional crisis.

You don't need 12,000 Greek troops to break a blockade by poorly trained and equipped TMT. The insinuation that the 12,000 Greek troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, is totally wrong. The troops deployed to Cyprus to facilitate ENOSIS.

According to the government website, the Chief of the Gendarmerie up until 1964 (at least) was a TC.

Cyprus Police was set up with the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960. Two Public Security Forces were established within the framework of the Constitution: the Police Force, which was responsible for policing the urban areas, and the Gendarmerie, which was responsible for policing rural areas. A Greek-Cypriot Chief and a Turkish-Cypriot Chief administered the two Forces respectively.

Shortly after the inter-communal troubles of 1964 and the abandonment of the posts held by Turkish-Cypriot police officers, the two forces merged to form the present Police.

http://www.police.gov.cy/police/police. ... endocument

Sorry, but I don't see how all this is relevant.

I fail to see how all this has anything to do with GR!'s false insinuation that the 12,000 Greek Troops were deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou blockade, and not to facilitate ENOSIS...

Wasn't the CNG used to smash the blockade anyway? This also suggests that the Greek Troops were not deployed to Cyprus due to the Kophinou Blockade but were deployed to facilitate ENOSIS as per the admissions of Greece's of Papandreou and Mitsotakis during a Parliamentary Debate.

I'm sorry, I didn't want to get involved in that separate issue (although I believe the Greek troops, in 1964, were sent because of Turkey's first attempt at an invasion, where Kokkina became the focal point, and we, my family, were caught in the midst of the Turkish aerial bombardments).

No, what I want to get to the bottom of is how well organised these enclave arrangements were (the purpose of which became obvious); and the degree of collusion by the TCs with the TMT/Turkey, to destroy the Island's democracy. If as you say, they were such flimsy arrangements that the police could simply have dismantled them, why didn't they? And was it because the Police force had an inordinately large proportion of TCs, who would not have upheld their oath to the people as a whole, but to TCs, in a segregationist manner?