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[DT.]

The posts on this thread prove what I have claimed over the months here- the Cypriots who do NOT own land are the ones screwed by ALL plans.

How do you people figure the compensation for someone who owned no land but lost everything meaningful when his community was displaced? Relatives and friends forced to move to the five corners of the earth, the loss of personal history, the exclusion from the place, these are worse than losing possession of land.

And not only are these people not compensated by an of the plans, they see insult added to injury by plans made for the fucking settlers. It is deemed cruel by some posters to send these freeloaders back to their ancestral homes. The "humane" thing to do with them, according to the kind hearted here, is to give them free land and space to stay in Cyprus. And this while NO provision is made for landless Cypriots.

Then we wonder why no peace plan has ever succeded in Cyprus. How can it when it insults the majority of Cypriots who are not landowners?

I am really pissed off with both TC and GC posters who focus on the land issue while forgetting the essential parts of the problem.

Quite right of N to remind us of this. I'm sure we all know of a good many people who were forced out of the Occupied North and who in the past, in better times, would have expected some help in starting off in life by, say, getting a bank loan with the collateral of family lands in the usual CY tradition, to build a home or start a business and who were denied that chance by the Invasion.

There have been an awful lot of opportunities lost.

I would agree with DT though when he/she says that the land issue does take us back, does give us a very strong legal foothold, a right to return to the Occupied Areas.

DT..
Man..
Make fire..
Cook meat...

[bill cobbett]

The posts on this thread prove what I have claimed over the months here- the Cypriots who do NOT own land are the ones screwed by ALL plans.

How do you people figure the compensation for someone who owned no land but lost everything meaningful when his community was displaced? Relatives and friends forced to move to the five corners of the earth, the loss of personal history, the exclusion from the place, these are worse than losing possession of land.

And not only are these people not compensated by an of the plans, they see insult added to injury by plans made for the fucking settlers. It is deemed cruel by some posters to send these freeloaders back to their ancestral homes. The "humane" thing to do with them, according to the kind hearted here, is to give them free land and space to stay in Cyprus. And this while NO provision is made for landless Cypriots.

Then we wonder why no peace plan has ever succeded in Cyprus. How can it when it insults the majority of Cypriots who are not landowners?

I am really pissed off with both TC and GC posters who focus on the land issue while forgetting the essential parts of the problem.

Quite right of N to remind us of this. I'm sure we all know of a good many people who were forced out of the Occupied North and who in the past, in better times, would have expected some help in starting off in life by, say, getting a bank loan with the collateral of family lands in the usual CY tradition, to build a home or start a business and who were denied that chance by the Invasion.

There have been an awful lot of opportunities lost.

I would agree with DT though when he/she says that the land issue does take us back, does give us a very strong legal foothold, a right to return to the Occupied Areas.

DT..
Man..
Make fire..
Cook meat...

DT = Choirikitian Caveman ?

[DT.]

The posts on this thread prove what I have claimed over the months here- the Cypriots who do NOT own land are the ones screwed by ALL plans.

How do you people figure the compensation for someone who owned no land but lost everything meaningful when his community was displaced? Relatives and friends forced to move to the five corners of the earth, the loss of personal history, the exclusion from the place, these are worse than losing possession of land.

And not only are these people not compensated by an of the plans, they see insult added to injury by plans made for the fucking settlers. It is deemed cruel by some posters to send these freeloaders back to their ancestral homes. The "humane" thing to do with them, according to the kind hearted here, is to give them free land and space to stay in Cyprus. And this while NO provision is made for landless Cypriots.

Then we wonder why no peace plan has ever succeded in Cyprus. How can it when it insults the majority of Cypriots who are not landowners?

I am really pissed off with both TC and GC posters who focus on the land issue while forgetting the essential parts of the problem.

Quite right of N to remind us of this. I'm sure we all know of a good many people who were forced out of the Occupied North and who in the past, in better times, would have expected some help in starting off in life by, say, getting a bank loan with the collateral of family lands in the usual CY tradition, to build a home or start a business and who were denied that chance by the Invasion.

There have been an awful lot of opportunities lost.

I would agree with DT though when he/she says that the land issue does take us back, does give us a very strong legal foothold, a right to return to the Occupied Areas.

DT..
Man..
Make fire..
Cook meat...

DT = Choirikitian Caveman ?

No no no...much more refined. Parrisinos area caveman

[Nikitas]

Roseandchan asks:

"i am interested in what you will do with your houses and land if they are returned to you?
how happy would you be to move into an area where mainly tc or gc (it works both ways)live?"

This was a major question in the past. Now, with fast roads, cell phones and all kinds of communications, things have changed. I think that people will hold onto the ownership of their property and exploit it from a distance. It is easy to live in Nicosia and farm fields thrity miles away. It is even easier to rent houses etc. Residence will most likely not change that much at first.

Most likely with gradual growth of confidence people will tend to move close to the major business and commercial centers of the island- Nicosia, Limassol and Famagusta (once it is rebuilt). This was the pattern in the past in Cyprus and it is the pattern in other places that suffered far more costly civil wars than ours.

[utu]

This island was passed down to me by many generations so I’m not authorized to sell any part of it.

Sometimes, that decision is not in our hands. Here in Canada, and in the United States, exists a nasty little 'privilige' of government called 'eminent domain', in which manatory purchase of private property can be made. It is done (theoretically) in cases where such land is needed for the public good, but lately, local governments have used eminent domain to take property on compulsary purchase and sell it to business developers on the grounds that 'this generates jobs, and thus comes under the public good'... I would not be at all surprised if eminent domain exists in Cyprus, GR...

[Paphitis]

This island was passed down to me by many generations so I’m not authorized to sell any part of it.

Sometimes, that decision is not in our hands. Here in Canada, and in the United States, exists a nasty little 'privilige' of government called 'eminent domain', in which manatory purchase of private property can be made. It is done (theoretically) in cases where such land is needed for the public good, but lately, local governments have used eminent domain to take property on compulsary purchase and sell it to business developers on the grounds that 'this generates jobs, and thus comes under the public good'... I would not be at all surprised if eminent domain exists in Cyprus, GR...

I am certain that the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 indigenous inhabitants, which constitutes a war crime against humanity, cannot be classed as "eminent domain" or for the "public good"...

[utu]

I am certain that the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 indigenous inhabitants, which constitutes a war crime against humanity, cannot be classed as "eminent domain" or for the "public good"...

I was not referring to that, Paphitis. Gr was pointing out that his land could not be bargained with. If the RoCy government ever decides to make use of it after reunification, he may not have much choice in the matter. In any case, I assume that eminent domain was used for the expansion of Larnaca Airport. There had been a number of poasts of Turkish Cypriot owned land being used...

[Paphitis]

I am certain that the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 indigenous inhabitants, which constitutes a war crime against humanity, cannot be classed as "eminent domain" or for the "public good"...

I was not referring to that, Paphitis. Gr was pointing out that his land could not be bargained with. If the RoCy government ever decides to make use of it after reunification, he may not have much choice in the matter. In any case, I assume that eminent domain was used for the expansion of Larnaca Airport. There had been a number of poasts of Turkish Cypriot owned land being used...

I don't have a problem with "eminent domain". What I do have a problem with is you insinuating that the RoC Government would use "eminent domain" as a means of keeping refugees from re-claiming their stolen lands.

"Eminent Domain" at Larnaca Airport by the legal and internationally recognised government can be easily excused, once the TC land owners are adequately compensated, but for you to suggest "Eminent Domain" in the case of ERCAN Airport over stolen Cypriot owned lands by an occupation regime is just downright ludicrous. If Eminent Domain is to be used post solution in this scenario, then the compensation better be good and take into consideration the war crime that was also inflicted on these land owners.

[utu]

If Eminent Domain is to be used post solution in this scenario, then the compensation better be good and take into consideration the war crime that was also inflicted on these land owners.

No argument there. I don't support partition, and the land issue is one that has to be seriously - and dispassionately - redressed in a just manner if peace is ever to prevail upon the island.

BTW, I wasn't insinuating anything. I make observations and comment upon these observations. And Paphitis, I'm observing that you have a habit of reading too much into statements at times...