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[Kikapu]

VP,

I have given you more than you have asked for, VP, but it's not enough for you, so let me tackle your question from another angle, shall I.

Why don't you give me a list of all the things that the TC's are demanding that does not violate any Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights along with International Laws, and I will support those demands, and if the GC's does not support those TC's demands that does not violate those principles as described above, then I will fault them for not doing so.

Now, give me your list please.!

Is the above what you are looking for VPs ?

I'm still waiting VP, where are you.??

It's 2009 already.!

[Tim Drayton]

I wonder if the Arabic 'SHAWARMA' is a corruption of the Turkish word 'Cevirme/Chevirme=turning, dondurmek/DONER). I must consult my colleagues.

My dictionary states that Kebab/kebap=Arabic

and we now Humus/ Humous= Arabic for chick pea and mashed chick peas.

Shish is Turkish.

I take my hat off to you. The argument reproduced below supports your theory. Standard Arabic lacks the sound represented in English by the diagraph "ch" (as opposed to Gulf dialects, which have this sound), so the "ch" in the Turkish word would naturally mutate into a "sh".

Maybe there is something to the Turkish-Islamic synthesis after all. I would still like somebody to convince me that 'lahmacun' is not of Arabic origin!

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bi ... bic-l&P=80

I

think I can help with the etymology of sha:wirma or sha:wurma. The word is not listed by Wehr under an Arabic root because it is a loan-word from Turkish.
The New Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary (1968) gives the following:

cevirme (begins with c-cedilla): lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.

The word is derived from the Turkish verb cevirmek (again, beginning with
c-cedilla, pronounced like English ch): to turn, turn round; to rotate, spin; to roast on the spit.

So the etymology of shawarma (or however it is most commonly spelled in English) should be given as: "from Arabic sha:wurma or sha:wirma, from Turkish cevirme" (c-cedilla).

By the way, the word now used in Turkey for this style of roasted meat is not cevirme, but doner kebap (o-umlaut), meaning "rotating kabob," from another verb meaning "to rotate." So, although the Arabic is derived from Turkish, it is not derived from the current Turkish word.

[denizaksulu]

I wonder if the Arabic 'SHAWARMA' is a corruption of the Turkish word 'Cevirme/Chevirme=turning, dondurmek/DONER). I must consult my colleagues.

My dictionary states that Kebab/kebap=Arabic

and we now Humus/ Humous= Arabic for chick pea and mashed chick peas.

Shish is Turkish.

I take my hat off to you. The argument reproduced below supports your theory. Standard Arabic lacks the sound represented in English by the diagraph "ch" (as opposed to Gulf dialects, which have this sound), so the "ch" in the Turkish word would naturally mutate into a "sh".

Maybe there is something to the Turkish-Islamic synthesis after all. I would still like somebody to convince me that 'lahmacun' is not of Arabic origin!

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bi ... bic-l&P=80

I

think I can help with the etymology of sha:wirma or sha:wurma. The word is not listed by Wehr under an Arabic root because it is a loan-word from Turkish.
The New Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary (1968) gives the following:

cevirme (begins with c-cedilla): lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.

The word is derived from the Turkish verb cevirmek (again, beginning with
c-cedilla, pronounced like English ch): to turn, turn round; to rotate, spin; to roast on the spit.

So the etymology of shawarma (or however it is most commonly spelled in English) should be given as: "from Arabic sha:wurma or sha:wirma, from Turkish cevirme" (c-cedilla).

By the way, the word now used in Turkey for this style of roasted meat is not cevirme, but doner kebap (o-umlaut), meaning "rotating kabob," from another verb meaning "to rotate." So, although the Arabic is derived from Turkish, it is not derived from the current Turkish word.

You embarrass me Tim. It was looking at us right in the face.

The word 'Lahmacun' is derived from Arabic/lahm-bi-ajin, but the food itself, but who can tell? As dangerous as saying Loum is Turkish when a similar delicacy was made in the Byzantine court in Constantinopolis. One must beware.

[kentish]

what are you waiting for kikapu you deranged fool,you get no answers on this forum.everyone has their own view and there is little or no room for middle ground,find a busy junction and go and play in it

[paliometoxo]

this is just a temporary solution delaying the inevitable, how long will the money for the aiport llast? maybe a few years? in the end there will be no way to keep the trnc from going banckrupt and will force the turks to leave cy

[Viewpoint]

this is just a temporary solution delaying the inevitable, how long will the money for the aiport llast? maybe a few years? in the end there will be no way to keep the trnc from going banckrupt and will force the turks to leave cy

Dont hold your breath.

[kentish]

this is just a temporary solution delaying the inevitable, how long will the money for the aiport llast? maybe a few years? in the end there will be no way to keep the trnc from going banckrupt and will force the turks to leave cy

you crazy idiots,there is much mindless thoughts in your thick heads.you are clinging to the thoughts created in your minds,get a life

[Kikapu]

what are you waiting for kikapu you deranged fool,you get no answers on this forum.everyone has their own view and there is little or no room for middle ground,find a busy junction and go and play in it

Thank you for your comments Kuntish,

Don't worry, I was not asking anything from you, since you do not have anything to offer, so don't speak unless you are spoken to.

They had you in mind then this was phrased.

"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience...Dilbert"

[kentish]

what are you waiting for kikapu you deranged fool,you get no answers on this forum.everyone has their own view and there is little or no room for middle ground,find a busy junction and go and play in it

Thank you for your comments Kuntish,

Don't worry, I was not asking anything from you, since you do not have anything to offer, so don't speak unless you are spoken to.

They had you in mind then this was phrased.

"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience...Dilbert"

just what i expected ,how sad you neanderthal man

[Viewpoint]

what are you waiting for kikapu you deranged fool,you get no answers on this forum.everyone has their own view and there is little or no room for middle ground,find a busy junction and go and play in it

Thank you for your comments Kuntish,

Don't worry, I was not asking anything from you, since you do not have anything to offer, so don't speak unless you are spoken to.

They had you in mind then this was phrased.

"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience...Dilbert"

just what i expected ,how sad you neanderthal man

Kentish you have to forgive kikapu who claims to be a TC but acts and supports the GCs 101%, hes confused and has not ev en bothered to come see the people he cliams to originate from in their current environment yet puts forward advise which he expects us to accept as gospel, confused person or what?