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[Kikapu]

Bill C & Oracle

Good Morning. The Helvaci family (Turkish Cypriots) from Larnaca own the land which forms part of Larnaca airport and are seeking compensation through the courts. No deal can be struck for compensation until a peace deal is done apparently. So around in circles we go, yet again!

It is very legal for any legitimate government to use "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules in order to build public projects and pay the owner the market value at the time of the purchase. The only fear I have for the TC's who owned part of the land used to build Larnaca airport, is that the legal owner will be paid eventually to what his land was worth when the airport was built and his money kept in some kind of an escrow since then. Whether the same rules will apply in the north due to the non recognition of the "trnc and it's government", whether or not the "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules apply is another matter. My guess is, they will not apply, therefore what ever GC land was used when building Ercan airport, and peace is reached, the compensation will be made at the market rate of the land at that time. If so, I can see a lot of TC's losing out financially if their land was built on in the south with public projects since 1963, but mostly after 1974.

Hardly democratic or a level playing field, you have yet again been exposed for what you really are anti TCs pro GCs, you could have at least evaluated it on an equal basis considering airports are used by everyone and not just for personal use.

This is your problem VP, that anything that is not in TC favour, then it must be anti TC sentiment. I'm just giving you my opinion without "sugarcoating" it for you on what a legitimate governments can do with others property. The question is, what happens when illegitimate governments try to do the same thing.? That is the question. At the end of the day, this has to be also negotiated, that's all, but as it is right now, I believe I'm correct in what I stated. It has nothing to do with Democracy or fair playing field. It is a matter of law and it doesn't matter what I or you say. Just because you do not agree with it because it may go against your own interests, it does not mean it is unfair.

Provide 2 examples of pro TC and anti GC stance you have ever taken.

VP,

Read this one more time and see if you can see less than 2 pro TC stances by me.!

"Kofi Kikapu's peace solution for Cyprus"....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Add this to my plan also from page 9;

"As far as rotating Presidents. I'm not really too hot on this idea, that once every 5th turn, only a TC can be a President. How democratic is that.?? What I would propose, and I will include this in my Peace Plan, is to have the running mate of a President to be from other ethnicity. For example, If a GC wants to run for a President, his running mate for vice President has to be non GC. So if the running mate is a TC, who shares the same ideas as the GC who wants to be President, then they can get votes from both the communities. If the president dies in office or is removed for what ever reason, then the TC will take over as a President, then the vice President will be someone other than a TC. Same goes for a TC who runs as a President, that his or hers running mate for the vice President position will be filled by non TC candidate."

Comments from DT........"If it was insultingly biased towards one of the sides you would have the other one in here filling 24 pages of swearing and cussing."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=10

Comments from Zan....... "Here is what I really think of your idea. In principle, as is the case with all well-meaning plans, it is great."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

Comments from Nikitas........ "I read the plan carefully and must congratulate you on the thought and hard work you put into it. It would be a good plan if it addressed the gut fears that I have as a Greek Cypriot- non resident in Cyprus."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Comments from Kikapu........ "My guess is, those who voted YES to AP, will not like "Kikapu's Plan" too much for obvious reasons. It will force them to "put their money where their mouth is".!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40

Over to you VP.!

[bill cobbett]

Bill C & Oracle

Good Morning. The Helvaci family (Turkish Cypriots) from Larnaca own the land which forms part of Larnaca airport and are seeking compensation through the courts. No deal can be struck for compensation until a peace deal is done apparently. So around in circles we go, yet again!

Good afternoon medman!

May I wish the Hevlaci family every best wish in their struggle to regain their lands but fail to see why they should have to wait for a peace deal. May I suggest that if a local remedy is not available to them, you urge them to take their case to the relevant European Courts.

[Viewpoint]

Bill C & Oracle

Good Morning. The Helvaci family (Turkish Cypriots) from Larnaca own the land which forms part of Larnaca airport and are seeking compensation through the courts. No deal can be struck for compensation until a peace deal is done apparently. So around in circles we go, yet again!

It is very legal for any legitimate government to use "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules in order to build public projects and pay the owner the market value at the time of the purchase. The only fear I have for the TC's who owned part of the land used to build Larnaca airport, is that the legal owner will be paid eventually to what his land was worth when the airport was built and his money kept in some kind of an escrow since then. Whether the same rules will apply in the north due to the non recognition of the "trnc and it's government", whether or not the "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules apply is another matter. My guess is, they will not apply, therefore what ever GC land was used when building Ercan airport, and peace is reached, the compensation will be made at the market rate of the land at that time. If so, I can see a lot of TC's losing out financially if their land was built on in the south with public projects since 1963, but mostly after 1974.

Hardly democratic or a level playing field, you have yet again been exposed for what you really are anti TCs pro GCs, you could have at least evaluated it on an equal basis considering airports are used by everyone and not just for personal use.

This is your problem VP, that anything that is not in TC favour, then it must be anti TC sentiment. I'm just giving you my opinion without "sugarcoating" it for you on what a legitimate governments can do with others property. The question is, what happens when illegitimate governments try to do the same thing.? That is the question. At the end of the day, this has to be also negotiated, that's all, but as it is right now, I believe I'm correct in what I stated. It has nothing to do with Democracy or fair playing field. It is a matter of law and it doesn't matter what I or you say. Just because you do not agree with it because it may go against your own interests, it does not mean it is unfair.

Provide 2 examples of pro TC and anti GC stance you have ever taken.

VP,

Read this one more time and see if you can see less than 2 pro TC stances by me.!

"Kofi Kikapu's peace solution for Cyprus"....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Add this to my plan also from page 9;

"As far as rotating Presidents. I'm not really too hot on this idea, that once every 5th turn, only a TC can be a President. How democratic is that.?? What I would propose, and I will include this in my Peace Plan, is to have the running mate of a President to be from other ethnicity. For example, If a GC wants to run for a President, his running mate for vice President has to be non GC. So if the running mate is a TC, who shares the same ideas as the GC who wants to be President, then they can get votes from both the communities. If the president dies in office or is removed for what ever reason, then the TC will take over as a President, then the vice President will be someone other than a TC. Same goes for a TC who runs as a President, that his or hers running mate for the vice President position will be filled by non TC candidate."

Comments from DT........"If it was insultingly biased towards one of the sides you would have the other one in here filling 24 pages of swearing and cussing."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=10

Comments from Zan....... "Here is what I really think of your idea. In principle, as is the case with all well-meaning plans, it is great."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

Comments from Nikitas........ "I read the plan carefully and must congratulate you on the thought and hard work you put into it. It would be a good plan if it addressed the gut fears that I have as a Greek Cypriot- non resident in Cyprus."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Comments from Kikapu........ "My guess is, those who voted YES to AP, will not like "Kikapu's Plan" too much for obvious reasons. It will force them to "put their money where their mouth is".!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40

Over to you VP.!

Thank you for the all the info you have thrown at me but why can you not pick out just 2 points which you feel are pro TC and anti GC? Where you have argued that the TCs are right and the GCs are wrong in denying TC demands?

[Kikapu]

Bill C & Oracle

Good Morning. The Helvaci family (Turkish Cypriots) from Larnaca own the land which forms part of Larnaca airport and are seeking compensation through the courts. No deal can be struck for compensation until a peace deal is done apparently. So around in circles we go, yet again!

It is very legal for any legitimate government to use "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules in order to build public projects and pay the owner the market value at the time of the purchase. The only fear I have for the TC's who owned part of the land used to build Larnaca airport, is that the legal owner will be paid eventually to what his land was worth when the airport was built and his money kept in some kind of an escrow since then. Whether the same rules will apply in the north due to the non recognition of the "trnc and it's government", whether or not the "Eminent Domain / Expropriation" rules apply is another matter. My guess is, they will not apply, therefore what ever GC land was used when building Ercan airport, and peace is reached, the compensation will be made at the market rate of the land at that time. If so, I can see a lot of TC's losing out financially if their land was built on in the south with public projects since 1963, but mostly after 1974.

Hardly democratic or a level playing field, you have yet again been exposed for what you really are anti TCs pro GCs, you could have at least evaluated it on an equal basis considering airports are used by everyone and not just for personal use.

This is your problem VP, that anything that is not in TC favour, then it must be anti TC sentiment. I'm just giving you my opinion without "sugarcoating" it for you on what a legitimate governments can do with others property. The question is, what happens when illegitimate governments try to do the same thing.? That is the question. At the end of the day, this has to be also negotiated, that's all, but as it is right now, I believe I'm correct in what I stated. It has nothing to do with Democracy or fair playing field. It is a matter of law and it doesn't matter what I or you say. Just because you do not agree with it because it may go against your own interests, it does not mean it is unfair.

Provide 2 examples of pro TC and anti GC stance you have ever taken.

VP,

Read this one more time and see if you can see less than 2 pro TC stances by me.!

"Kofi Kikapu's peace solution for Cyprus"....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Add this to my plan also from page 9;

"As far as rotating Presidents. I'm not really too hot on this idea, that once every 5th turn, only a TC can be a President. How democratic is that.?? What I would propose, and I will include this in my Peace Plan, is to have the running mate of a President to be from other ethnicity. For example, If a GC wants to run for a President, his running mate for vice President has to be non GC. So if the running mate is a TC, who shares the same ideas as the GC who wants to be President, then they can get votes from both the communities. If the president dies in office or is removed for what ever reason, then the TC will take over as a President, then the vice President will be someone other than a TC. Same goes for a TC who runs as a President, that his or hers running mate for the vice President position will be filled by non TC candidate."

Comments from DT........"If it was insultingly biased towards one of the sides you would have the other one in here filling 24 pages of swearing and cussing."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=10

Comments from Zan....... "Here is what I really think of your idea. In principle, as is the case with all well-meaning plans, it is great."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

Comments from Nikitas........ "I read the plan carefully and must congratulate you on the thought and hard work you put into it. It would be a good plan if it addressed the gut fears that I have as a Greek Cypriot- non resident in Cyprus."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Comments from Kikapu........ "My guess is, those who voted YES to AP, will not like "Kikapu's Plan" too much for obvious reasons. It will force them to "put their money where their mouth is".!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40

Over to you VP.!

Thank you for the all the info you have thrown at me but why can you not pick out just 2 points which you feel are pro TC and anti GC? Where you have argued that the TCs are right and the GCs are wrong in denying TC demands?

VP,

I have given you more than you have asked for, VP, but it's not enough for you, so let me tackle your question from another angle, shall I.

Why don't you give me a list of all the things that the TC's are demanding that does not violate any Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights along with International Laws, and I will support those demands, and if the GC's does not support those TC's demands that does not violate those principles as described above, then I will fault them for not doing so.

Now, give me your list please.!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you are an expert at avoiding or clouding any questions you are unable to answer as is the case here, there are no issues where you support the TC stance opposing any GC viewpoint. You are 100% behind whatever the GC put forward irrelevant of whether its places TCs the people you claim are your community at the mercy of a hostile and revenge seeking GC community.

[bill cobbett]

Kikapu you are an expert at avoiding or clouding any questions you are unable to answer as is the case here, there are no issues where you support the TC stance opposing any GC viewpoint. You are 100% behind whatever the GC put forward irrelevant of whether its places TCs the people you claim are your community at the mercy of a hostile and revenge seeking GC community.

I see someone has overdone the Xmas nuts.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you are an expert at avoiding or clouding any questions you are unable to answer as is the case here, there are no issues where you support the TC stance opposing any GC viewpoint. You are 100% behind whatever the GC put forward irrelevant of whether its places TCs the people you claim are your community at the mercy of a hostile and revenge seeking GC community.

I see someone has overdone the Xmas nuts.

You probably dont know we do not celebrate Christmas.

[Get Real!]

You probably dont know we do not celebrate Christmas.

You’re so incompatible with Cyprus I don’t know what the hell you’re doing here VP because I saw hundreds of TCs buying xmas stuff…

Do yourself and your family a favor and return to Turkey…

[bill cobbett]

Kikapu you are an expert at avoiding or clouding any questions you are unable to answer as is the case here, there are no issues where you support the TC stance opposing any GC viewpoint. You are 100% behind whatever the GC put forward irrelevant of whether its places TCs the people you claim are your community at the mercy of a hostile and revenge seeking GC community.

I see someone has overdone the Xmas nuts.

You probably dont know we do not celebrate Christmas.

You don't celebrate Xmas! OMG, this Tnct of yours must truly be a paradise! Just think my fellow Cys and others, a few yards away from the Free Areas of the Republic there's a place without Xmas shopping, without Father Xmas, without dodgy Xmas trees and without goodwill to all men.

[Viewpoint]

You probably dont know we do not celebrate Christmas.

You’re so incompatible with Cyprus I don’t know what the hell you’re doing here VP because I saw hundreds of TCs buying xmas stuff…

Do yourself and your family a favor and return to Turkey…

Thats for the new year not christmas, maybe you are the ones not compatible to Cyprus, do you celebrate Kurban or Şeker Bayram?