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[Kikapu]

Is this doesntmatter geezer Piratis in reverse?

Are you asking whether doesntmatter is Piratis's backside.?

I think Piratis will say ...............yes.!

[Kikapu]

I was trying to find the thread where Halil made several pages of words that pretty much was the same in Turkish and Greek which is commonly used in Cyprus by the Cypriots, which there were hundreds of such words. Perhaps Halil can post those Turkish-Greek words one more time so to shut Doesntknow for once and for all on this subject.

Kikapu
You have to accept there are far too many words used by GC's in Cyprus which is not Greek and clearly originate from Turkish language.
Even the name sheftalia (seftali) has no meaning in any language except Turkish..(even tho the dish Sheftali is unknown by Turks in Turkey)

You are correct Iceman..............I think.!

Lets take my favourite Cypriot dish which I cook few times a year here in Switzerland but the product comes from Cyprus, Molohia. I was shocked to learn recently, that the GC's call it Moloha. Molohia is unheard of in Turkey, atleast as a dish anyway, but not certain about the vegetation itself, and I assume it is not known in Greece either. So, how can the name Molohia/ Moloha can be a Turkish or a Greek word, if it's only known in Cyprus. Can it be that some words are locally invented in Cyprus by both the communities and it really doesn't matter which one said it first.

You make another perfect example above with the word "Sheftali" (Seftali).! Since the dish is not known in Turkey and that's where the Turkish language comes from, then how can it be Turkish and only used by the TC's in Cyprus. Could it be once again, that it is a word invented in Cyprus, but by whom, TC's or GC's.? Can it just not be a Cypriot word with slight variation of the letter arrangement to suit the tongue of the one who is saying it, and just leave it at that.! All I know is, the damn thing tastes great, and you are correct, to the TC's, lamb Sheftali tastes better than the one's made from pork.!

[miltiades]

There are also many Cypriot Greek words that are not known in Greece or have a different meaning . I will try and post a few but here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.
Some Cypriot words that do not exist in Greece :
KKELLE = HEAD
PROTSA =FORK
TSIAKKI OR TSIAKKOUI =PEN KNIFE
TSAERA =CHAIR
VILLA OR VILLOS = Forgot this one !!!
Just a few words that are 100% Cypriot , I included the last one just to show how unique we Cypriots are , we cant even agree with the Greeks on the correct name for the most fundamental part of our bodies , I omitted the female version due to momentary loss of ..memory but that is totally different too , means nothing to the Greeks and yet the Cypriots would walk a thousand miles for one , even risk their entire livelihood yet to the Greeks a mere nothing !!

[kafenes]

There are also many Cypriot Greek words that are not known in Greece or have a different meaning . I will try and post a few but here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.
Some Cypriot words that do not exist in Greece :
KKELLE = HEAD
PROTSA =FORK
TSIAKKI OR TSIAKKOUI =PEN KNIFE
TSAERA =CHAIR
VILLA OR VILLOS = Forgot this one !!!
Just a few words that are 100% Cypriot , I included the last one just to show how unique we Cypriots are , we cant even agree with the Greeks on the correct name for the most fundamental part of our bodies , I omitted the female version due to momentary loss of ..memory but that is totally different too , means nothing to the Greeks and yet the Cypriots would walk a thousand miles for one , even risk their entire livelihood yet to the Greeks a mere nothing !!

Miltiades, you left out my favourite 'Splingosha'.

[Paphitis]

Lest we forget...



When my ancestors were busy writing up Alphabets the Greeks were busy with other more “sophisticated” things…

http://www.livius.org/ho-hz/homosexuali ... ality.html

You got something against homosexuals? I'm going to tell TC.

Stop talking out of your arse...

The Greek alphabet originated from Knossos in Crete.

http://www.greek-language.com/historyof ... ear_b.html

Is it? And I used to think it originated from the Phoenician!!! Check your sources better, Paphitis, because what you are quoting there refers to a proto-Greek way of writing in syllables (Linear B,) and not the Greek alphabet as it later emerged and continued to this day. The Greek alphabet originated from the Phoenician, and the numbers from Arabic.

The point I wished to make Kifeas, was that Cypriots first adopted an Ancient Minoan Script which is known as the Cypro-Minoan Script or LINEAR A. This script originated from Crete. I actually posted the LINEAR B script by accident and should have posted the link for LINEAR A which was the first proto-Greek script adopted by Cypriots.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/cypriot.html

Subsequently, LINEAR B which was a Mycenaean script was adopted. It was this script that originated from Knossos, Crete. My apologies for the mix up.

http://www.greek-language.com/historyof ... ear_b.html

The Phoenician Alphabet was adopted much later, by the Cypriots which allowed them to develop at least the closest version of Modern Greek as we know it today. However, the below link seems to suggest that it was in fact the proto-Greek scripts such as LINEAR B, which evolved with the adoption of the Phoenician Alphabet.

It has been well documented that the Greeks adapted the familiar script still used today from the alphabet of another people -- the Phoenicians. But "one foot also rests on a shoulder of the syllabic script of Cypriot Greeks," writes Roger D. Woodard, Ph.D., in his book "Greek Writing from Knossos to Homer: A Linguistic Interpretation of the Origin of the Greek Alphabet and the Continuity of Ancient Greek Literacy" (Oxford University Press, 1997).

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

In any case, my only motive for posting this kind of stuff is to re-enforce that Cyprus played an integral role within the Ancient Hellenistic world and can only be considered a vital link to Hellenism, as Cypriots contributed at least as much as the Athenians, Spartans, Mycenaens, Minoans, Macedonians etc. I do this because it has become common for some members on this forum to attempt to misrepresent and alter history and ridicule Hellenism.

The above subject matter was thrashed to death not too long ago on this forum. I attach the thread for your amusement:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=320

[Cem]

Just watching "Take on the Takeaway" and am not surprised that the Greeks/GCs are using a gullible Paul Ranking to claim Cyprus is Greek.

Sheftali becomes Greek just by adding an "a" at the end of it and calling it "Sheftalia"

Doner Kebab is Greek.

Hummuz becomes Greek just by swapping the "z" with an "s".

The Greeks/GCs are not only stealing other peoples dishes and claiming it to be Greek but they are also stealing the Turkish language and calling that Greek as well.

In other words, we are not all Cypriots, we are all Greeks.

Is there no end to Greeks thievery?

Your whole world has turned upside down (unfolding truths) because all that you held up as Turkish was nothing but modified versions of the pre-existing native people's dishes and words etc.

Even Turkish coffee is not Turkish, as the Ottomans banned it :lol: ... besides it originates from Africa!

Try Chow Mein ... more up your street!

Another chapter in imbecility from a pseudo-scientist !

Turkish coffee (see name and variants for other names) is coffee prepared by boiling finely powdered roast coffee beans in a pot (cezve), possibly with sugar, and serving it into a cup, where the dregs settle. It is common throughout the Middle East, North Africa, Caucasus, and the Balkans, and in their expatriate communities and restaurants in the rest of the world.

Coffeehouse culture is highly developed in the former Ottoman world, and this is the dominant style of preparation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_coffee

BTW, there are numerous books on Ottoman history which state that ottoman sultans used to keep a chief coffee-maker in their palaces.

[Byron]

There are also many Cypriot Greek words that are not known in Greece or have a different meaning . I will try and post a few but here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.
Some Cypriot words that do not exist in Greece :
KKELLE = HEAD
PROTSA =FORK
TSIAKKI OR TSIAKKOUI =PEN KNIFE
TSAERA =CHAIR
VILLA OR VILLOS = Forgot this one !!!
Just a few words that are 100% Cypriot , I included the last one just to show how unique we Cypriots are , we cant even agree with the Greeks on the correct name for the most fundamental part of our bodies , I omitted the female version due to momentary loss of ..memory but that is totally different too , means nothing to the Greeks and yet the Cypriots would walk a thousand miles for one , even risk their entire livelihood yet to the Greeks a mere nothing !!

Those words you quoted are dialect words, dialect words exist in almost every country

[Kikapu]

There are also many Cypriot Greek words that are not known in Greece or have a different meaning . I will try and post a few but here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.
Some Cypriot words that do not exist in Greece :
KKELLE = HEAD
PROTSA =FORK
TSIAKKI OR TSIAKKOUI =PEN KNIFE
TSAERA =CHAIR
VILLA OR VILLOS = Forgot this one !!!
Just a few words that are 100% Cypriot , I included the last one just to show how unique we Cypriots are , we cant even agree with the Greeks on the correct name for the most fundamental part of our bodies , I omitted the female version due to momentary loss of ..memory but that is totally different too , means nothing to the Greeks and yet the Cypriots would walk a thousand miles for one , even risk their entire livelihood yet to the Greeks a mere nothing !!

here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.

What can I say Miltiades, because one seems to compliment the other as long as you don't ask the salesman in a furniture store to show you some not too expensive "WHORES" when you are shopping with your wife. !

I would like to see the salesman's face. He will think he is on "candid camera" or something.!

[miltiades]

There are also many Cypriot Greek words that are not known in Greece or have a different meaning . I will try and post a few but here is one Cypriot word, KARGOLA meaning BED where in Greece it means WHORE.
Some Cypriot words that do not exist in Greece :
KKELLE = HEAD
PROTSA =FORK
TSIAKKI OR TSIAKKOUI =PEN KNIFE
TSAERA =CHAIR
VILLA OR VILLOS = Forgot this one !!!
Just a few words that are 100% Cypriot , I included the last one just to show how unique we Cypriots are , we cant even agree with the Greeks on the correct name for the most fundamental part of our bodies , I omitted the female version due to momentary loss of ..memory but that is totally different too , means nothing to the Greeks and yet the Cypriots would walk a thousand miles for one , even risk their entire livelihood yet to the Greeks a mere nothing !!

Those words you quoted are dialect words, dialect words exist in almost every country

A dialect word is a word that is pronounced differently , there is nothing dialect about villa which in Greece it means a large house !!!
Take tsaera for instance , what is the Greek for it , or protsa !!
Cem mentioned the word TCHISVE , we also call the little coffee pot the same in some villages.
I'm not trying to prove that we are not related to the mainland Greeks just to show that we have our own unique Cypriot personality with our own words taken from either Turkish , Armenian or English in some cases .
We are very much our own race , the Cypriot , is just a historical coincidence that the Greeks have the same language as the majority of us as well as the religion of the majority of Cypriots.

[denizaksulu]

Ok, so what’s the final outcome in here?

Do we still get to eat Sheftalia or have they been proven a no-no by the master debater and arch-strategist Ricco?

Dont worry GR. Whether eaten in Kakopetria or Kerinia harbour, they are still Sheftalikebab/sheftalia.

Fear not.

Who is this Ricco guy anyway?