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[Talisker]

Hey, a guy's gotta make a living!

He is not the only one. Read Paul Theroux's the Pillars of Hercules to see how authors know very well on which side their bread is buttered. But eventually lies catch up with one, and in Theroux's case he traps himself in his own book.

Nikitas, care to elaborate? I've read this and all Theroux's travel books. My attitude to his writing is that one isn't going to get an accurate political or historical description of anywhere he visits. His strength is in portraying his mood, and I think that he himself accepts that this colours his descriptions and judgements within his writing. For example, he can be in paradise, but if he's feeling homesick, or has a cold or stomach ache, he will slag off that place and any interactions with the people there. Having read your comment I had a quick flick through Pillars of Hercules, but it is a meaty tome, and I'd be grateful if you would point me in the direction of the 'lies' that caught up with him.

I read a lot of travelogues, and a really good book travelling around the Mediterranean investigating the fate of Christian communities and customs is 'From the Holy Mountain' (subtitled 'A Journey in the Shadow of Byzantium') by William Dalrymple, a Scottish scholar. He starts from Mount Athos, makes his way through Turkey (describing persecution of Orthodox and Armenian christians and their churches), travelling onward through Syria, Lebanon, Israel (provides observations on historical revisionism by the Jews) and into Egypt. As far as I can recall he doesn't visit Cyprus, so this book probably isn't relevant for this thread, but thought I'd recommend it anyway.........

Regards,
Talisker

[denizaksulu]

I have read the book, 'The Genocide Files' hesitatingly. I can see clearly why GR and his ilk have a dislike to it. They dont like what they read; the truth does hurt. There must be some truth in there, otherwise why feel so strong about it.

I am really surprised, no ... shocked and disappointed by your view Deniz

Have a look at this from Tim's review source ....

By Matthew Stowell -

Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago. Except in Northern Cyprus and Turkey (and the Internet) you will not find his book for sale. It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own. It is a shame that this packet of lies posing as a timely document is on the market and thus able to
contribute to the further brainwashing of Turkish Cypriots and their supporters. There are many other fine books on the subject, esp. The Cyprus Conspiracy.

Why shocked Oracle. I said I read it hesitatingly after the book was given to me to read and comment. The title speaks for itself. I for one do not agree that 'genocide' ever took place in Cyprus. Murders/massacres/ethnic cleansing, yes. Genocde NO. Some of the events did take place and some I have no idea. Which? I cant recall at the moment. As to the authors credibilty, its not up to me to judge.

Lets say, 'where there is no fire, there is no smoke'. Somewhere in that book, there is some truth. Unfortunately.

Pleased to see you back-track on what you stated.

I dont think so O.

Really!
You were very quick to assert that the only reason GR! and his ilk (me) did not like it ...

I can see clearly why GR and his ilk have a dislike to it.

... was because according to you, it told the truth ...

They dont like what they read; the truth does hurt.

So according to you, we now have to believe there was a Genocide in Cyprus, of TCs, and the only person who knew about it was this Dirty Harry? Who has now influenced immeasurable numbers of bloodthirsty Turks hell-bent on revenge against the GCs by taking their country away from them!

There you go again Oracle. I only read the aforementioned 3 months ago. I said hesitatingly as I did not believe in the titles charge of genocide. I never said it was 100% truthful. How would anyone know this for sure anyway. Never mind me saying there are items related which you would not like, even I did not like. I did not take it as gospel but some events are udeniable as evidenced in world wide media. Perhaps the author should also mention the losses of the GCs at the hands of the TCs and the Turkish Army. Then maybe the book would have more credibility. My final analysis of the book re: propaganda is that 'all propaganda will have an element of truth in it'.

[Get Real!]

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

You have been blind and dumb and still are, you are a fool to yourself Birkibrisli. You have helped these racist Greeks and GCs hate the Turks and the TCs and you are still doing it.

Well, if he’s blind, dumb, and a fool I guess he’s justified so what’s your excuse Ricco?

[Oracle]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

[BirKibrisli]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

My brand of Truth is objective,Oracle....I can see both sides of the story...
I have empathised and sympathised with the GC refugees in many of my posts...I have gone as far as stating openly that I will not ask for compensation or the return of my mother's land left in Paphos (some 22 donums) unless and until the GC refugees can get their land or compensation...I have not seen one line in any of your posts acknowledging the plight of the TC refugees... You just keep moaning about the actions of the Turks and TCs...That is what I consider malicious and evilminded...And you are doing it systematically and with purpose...That is what I find so objectionable...

[Oracle]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

My brand of Truth is objective,Oracle....I can see both sides of the story...
I have empathised and sympathised with the GC refugees in many of my posts...I have gone as far as stating openly that I will not ask for compensation or the return of my mother's land left in Paphos (some 22 donums) unless and until the GC refugees can get their land or compensation...I have not seen one line in any of your posts acknowledging the plight of the TC refugees... You just keep moaning about the actions of the Turks and TCs...That is what I consider malicious and evilminded...And you are doing it systematically and with purpose...That is what I find so objectionable...

Perhaps it's something higher than your personal gratification for "compensation" for your TC mother's land. Maybe those who left to seek solace with the Turks in the north on the promise it was flowing with free milk and honey, are having second thoughts and instead of doing the right thing and admitting their mistake, are once again seeking to blame the GCs in their inability to see wrong in what they do ... and for whence you seek to justify them.

Perhaps it is more about what is justifiably Right under International Law ... which after all is the only true unbiased judgement source and not YOU nor I.

[denizaksulu]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

My brand of Truth is objective,Oracle....I can see both sides of the story...
I have empathised and sympathised with the GC refugees in many of my posts...I have gone as far as stating openly that I will not ask for compensation or the return of my mother's land left in Paphos (some 22 donums) unless and until the GC refugees can get their land or compensation...I have not seen one line in any of your posts acknowledging the plight of the TC refugees... You just keep moaning about the actions of the Turks and TCs...That is what I consider malicious and evilminded...And you are doing it systematically and with purpose...That is what I find so objectionable...

Perhaps it's something higher than your personal gratification for "compensation" for your TC mother's land. Maybe those who left to seek solace with the Turks in the north on the promise it was flowing with free milk and honey, are having second thoughts and instead of doing the right thing and admitting their mistake, are once again seeking to blame the GCs in their inability to see wrong in what they do ... and for whence you seek to justify them.

Perhaps it is more about what is justifiably Right under International Law ... which after all is the only true unbiased judgement source and not YOU nor I.

Oracle, you do know for sure that there are many thousands of Turkish Cypriots who NEVER sought solace in the arms of Turkey. The people constitute the vast diaspora of TCs worldwide as represented by people like me and BK and Kikapu and others on this forum. Do not tarnish all TCs with the same brush. It does not do your intelligence any justice.

Have a Merry Cristmas and enjoy your 'stuffing'. I am sure you cook a mean Turkey.

[Oracle]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

My brand of Truth is objective,Oracle....I can see both sides of the story...
I have empathised and sympathised with the GC refugees in many of my posts...I have gone as far as stating openly that I will not ask for compensation or the return of my mother's land left in Paphos (some 22 donums) unless and until the GC refugees can get their land or compensation...I have not seen one line in any of your posts acknowledging the plight of the TC refugees... You just keep moaning about the actions of the Turks and TCs...That is what I consider malicious and evilminded...And you are doing it systematically and with purpose...That is what I find so objectionable...

Perhaps it's something higher than your personal gratification for "compensation" for your TC mother's land. Maybe those who left to seek solace with the Turks in the north on the promise it was flowing with free milk and honey, are having second thoughts and instead of doing the right thing and admitting their mistake, are once again seeking to blame the GCs in their inability to see wrong in what they do ... and for whence you seek to justify them.

Perhaps it is more about what is justifiably Right under International Law ... which after all is the only true unbiased judgement source and not YOU nor I.

Oracle, you do know for sure that there are many thousands of Turkish Cypriots who NEVER sought solace in the arms of Turkey. The people constitute the vast diaspora of TCs worldwide as represented by people like me and BK and Kikapu and others on this forum. Do not tarnish all TCs with the same brush. It does not do your intelligence any justice.

Have a Merry Cristmas and enjoy your 'stuffing'. I am sure you cook a mean Turkey.

I seek only to balance what BirKibrisli says ... the more extreme he is about GCs needing to "sympathise" with the TCs, the more I will remind him of the injustice they have done to us, for far longer and on land that we have never left to enact vengeance upon others from!

[denizaksulu]

Bir,

Acknowledging the events of 1963 and the atrocities is one thing. Relying on a source like Gibbons, who does not hesitate to print obvious lies (ie the National Guard had 300 tanks) and inflated victim figures is another and is doing us all harm.

We do not need people like Gibbons to know what happened. More than that, we should not rely on his ilk to find our conscience.

I agree with you,Nikitas...I know nothing about this person Gibbons,and I have never read anything by him...If he is just churning out Turkish propaganda of course he is doing us more harm than good...But I was talking in general...Oracle and GR! (to a lesser extend) are doing exactly what this Gibbons person is doing...They see everything through the eyes of an extreme Greek nationalist....And they are doing us more harm (at least on this forum) than Gibbons...As far as they are concerned Turks and TC are the villains,have always been villains,and if they did suffer it was their own fault anyway....You must see how negative they are about anything Turkish and TC...Oracle doesn't even see a difference between the two...

Utter nonsense Bir, as you try to deflate down from the joy you feel, at having other people who do not know the real History of Cyprus, believe you TCs were justified in the cataclysm you subsequently dished on us ..... based on such imaginary foundations.

Until Nikitas pointed out your idiocy, you also, along with others who should have known better, did not condemn this "author" as the purveyor of anything but, propaganda.

So stop trying to ridicule GR! and myself because we happen to know what a fantasist you are who relishes any fiction!

Is this proof that the truth really does not matter to Turks?

There you go again,Oracle...Talking in dismissive and insulting terms about Turks...I will let the Turks(if there are any on this Forum) defend themselves..As a Cypriot of Turkish-speaking background I find your persistent fanatical and one -eyed views repulsive and insulting to my intelligence...You are the last person who can speak about objectivity or comdemn those who participate in propaganda...You are the master of subjectivity and Greek propaganda yourself...I had never heard of this person Gibbons before..You can believe it or not,that is your business...
But if he is damaging the peace efforts at large,you are doing twice the damage here in this Forum...And I have an idea you know what you are doing and enjoying your hate-mongering intensely...It is pitiful...

Your brand of "truth" is what damages thinking Bir.

Your appeals for empathy from GCs, begged for as though we were tyrants dishing out punishments, is an insult to our simple desire to run our country. Your whiny demands to sympathise with your plight, when all the while we have had our people displaced in the most segregating manner imaginable by the Turks.

No it is not my words that make people hate Turks ... but their evil Actions!

My brand of Truth is objective,Oracle....I can see both sides of the story...
I have empathised and sympathised with the GC refugees in many of my posts...I have gone as far as stating openly that I will not ask for compensation or the return of my mother's land left in Paphos (some 22 donums) unless and until the GC refugees can get their land or compensation...I have not seen one line in any of your posts acknowledging the plight of the TC refugees... You just keep moaning about the actions of the Turks and TCs...That is what I consider malicious and evilminded...And you are doing it systematically and with purpose...That is what I find so objectionable...

Perhaps it's something higher than your personal gratification for "compensation" for your TC mother's land. Maybe those who left to seek solace with the Turks in the north on the promise it was flowing with free milk and honey, are having second thoughts and instead of doing the right thing and admitting their mistake, are once again seeking to blame the GCs in their inability to see wrong in what they do ... and for whence you seek to justify them.

Perhaps it is more about what is justifiably Right under International Law ... which after all is the only true unbiased judgement source and not YOU nor I.

Oracle, you do know for sure that there are many thousands of Turkish Cypriots who NEVER sought solace in the arms of Turkey. The people constitute the vast diaspora of TCs worldwide as represented by people like me and BK and Kikapu and others on this forum. Do not tarnish all TCs with the same brush. It does not do your intelligence any justice.

Have a Merry Cristmas and enjoy your 'stuffing'. I am sure you cook a mean Turkey.

I seek only to balance what BirKibrisli says ... the more extreme he is about GCs needing to "sympathise" with the TCs, the more I will remind him of the injustice they have done to us, for far longer and on land that we have never left to enact vengeance upon others from!

Do you feel threatened when one shows sympathy towards the GC refugees. What is wrong with 'empathy'? Why cant you understand that there are good people out there.

[Oracle]

Do you feel threatened when one shows sympathy towards the GC refugees. What is wrong with 'empathy'? Why cant you understand that there are good people out there.

I think we are generating rather a lot of posts, in order to appease those who joined this thread rejoicing in this "book" and its "revelations", or posted their attacks on those of us who slammed it for the propaganda it has proved to be ... when all they have to do to regain "sympathy" after losing face or inadvertently showing truer colours, is admit their bias/mistake and stop pretending!

Still, I have no problem with sympathy. In fact it's something that comes so naturally, and often unexpectedly, I do not have to think about it, nor indeed make a song and dance about possessing it, as some seem to feel the need to do with every post ... but hey-ho, if telling everyone they possess it makes them happy, who am I to spoil their fun?

Empathy is another painful affliction if one be burdened correctly, i.e. leaving it to the instincts, after mere catalysis by a moral upbringing, and not an emotion to be branded about lightly. As though to demonstrate one were thus impassioned, it were enough to divide people into two categories, place yourself with one lot, then strike-up "empathy" for the other lot, on condition, they put you first and foremost in their sentimental pots! Too divisive for this simple bird.

As for the good people out there, they are the ones wishing to uphold the Laws of Humanity by all means possible, and avoiding joining the ranks of those who steal from others; not just simply land and property, but lives, history, connection to the Earth.

I bid you and Bir a good day.