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Turkey’s Dirty Harry...

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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:18 pm

One review of the book at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/product/ ... geNumber=2

I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.
I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.
It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. Only when the Turkish Army invaded in 1974, did the nationalist elements on the greek side exact revenge on the Turkish civilian population as the Turkish army had been found raping and killing civilians of the Greek community. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.
Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.
I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.
A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal invasion.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost......
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:38 pm

I have read the book, 'The Genocide Files' hesitatingly. I can see clearly why GR and his ilk have a dislike to it. They dont like what they read; the truth does hurt. There must be some truth in there, otherwise why feel so strong about it.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:40 pm

It is curious that Savannah Koch, the publisher of The Genocide Files, has only ever published two books.

http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-9514464/
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:48 pm

lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Hey, a guy's gotta make a living!

He is not the only one. Read Paul Theroux's the Pillars of Hercules to see how authors know very well on which side their bread is buttered. But eventually lies catch up with one, and in Theroux's case he traps himself in his own book.

I’d have more respect for these people if they sold their mothers for a living than their blatant attempts to distort history, for only a very foul upbringing could possibly lead to such disgraceful behavior.


your feelings about tcs is no diferent than tcs feeling you greeks/cypriots. we think you are the scum of this planet. you lie, you dsitort history, you thing you are superior when you're just paesents, the list is endles. all the reason to stay separate no?

My feelings expressed above were for the small group of foreign authors who spread misinformation in the world. I made no mention of TCs here.

Separate? sure! Go find yourselves a country because this was taken before you landed here uninvited...
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:52 pm

Tim's obeservation about the publisher having published only two books is interesting. Apparently one of the books was authored by the wife of the Genocide Files author.

Has anyone ever seen a photograph of either author?
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:56 pm

Just doing some arithmetic, which is unavoidable in this kind of discussion. There was a total of about 800 deaths in the years 1963-1967 in Cyprus, and that is counting both sides. This apparently qualifies as genocide.

In World War II the Germans caused about 800 000 casualties in Greece and that figure does not even get a passing mention in history books.

It seems like we Cypriots like to get carried away by our problem.
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Postby lovernomore » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Hey, a guy's gotta make a living!

He is not the only one. Read Paul Theroux's the Pillars of Hercules to see how authors know very well on which side their bread is buttered. But eventually lies catch up with one, and in Theroux's case he traps himself in his own book.

I’d have more respect for these people if they sold their mothers for a living than their blatant attempts to distort history, for only a very foul upbringing could possibly lead to such disgraceful behavior.


your feelings about tcs is no diferent than tcs feeling you greeks/cypriots. we think you are the scum of this planet. you lie, you dsitort history, you thing you are superior when you're just paesents, the list is endles. all the reason to stay separate no?

My feelings expressed above were for the small group of foreign authors who spread misinformation in the world. I made no mention of TCs here.

Separate? sure! Go find yourselves a country because this was taken before you landed here uninvited...


I cant be bothred to look now but you post many insults about tcs. You show me one post whree you write good thing abou tc and i will say sorry you.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:11 pm

Just did a quick net search for this Gibbons author. No information about him, or any other writing other than this book. Where is the other work he is supposed to have done, as a journalist and writer, in the broader middle East?

Interesting! And strange that it took so many years to figure out the ruse. Our good faith will be our undoing.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:19 pm

denizaksulu wrote:I have read the book, 'The Genocide Files' hesitatingly. I can see clearly why GR and his ilk have a dislike to it. They dont like what they read; the truth does hurt. There must be some truth in there, otherwise why feel so strong about it.


I am really surprised, no ... shocked and disappointed by your view Deniz :roll:

Have a look at this from Tim's review source ....

By Matthew Stowell -

Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago. Except in Northern Cyprus and Turkey (and the Internet) you will not find his book for sale. It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own. It is a shame that this packet of lies posing as a timely document is on the market and thus able to contribute to the further brainwashing of Turkish Cypriots and their supporters. There are many other fine books on the subject, esp. The Cyprus Conspiracy.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:39 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:I have read the book, 'The Genocide Files' hesitatingly. I can see clearly why GR and his ilk have a dislike to it. They dont like what they read; the truth does hurt. There must be some truth in there, otherwise why feel so strong about it.


I am really surprised, no ... shocked and disappointed by your view Deniz :roll:

Have a look at this from Tim's review source ....

By Matthew Stowell -

Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago. Except in Northern Cyprus and Turkey (and the Internet) you will not find his book for sale. It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own. It is a shame that this packet of lies posing as a timely document is on the market and thus able to
contribute to the further brainwashing of Turkish Cypriots and their supporters. There are many other fine books on the subject, esp. The Cyprus Conspiracy.



Why shocked Oracle. I said I read it hesitatingly after the book was given to me to read and comment. The title speaks for itself. I for one do not agree that 'genocide' ever took place in Cyprus. Murders/massacres/ethnic cleansing, yes. Genocde NO. Some of the events did take place and some I have no idea. Which? I cant recall at the moment. As to the authors credibilty, its not up to me to judge.

Lets say, 'where there is no fire, there is no smoke'. Somewhere in that book, there is some truth. Unfortunately.
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