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[Kikapu]

There are rumours from the Greek Community that there is a Turkish Academic on this board.

Err... Zanny, your cover has been blown!

I try realy hard but my cover is blown, f***, you greeks are just so clever

In your case it's your brain fuse that has blown...

GR,

This is what happened with "lovernomore" when he got a new brain.!

[lovernomore]

one tc against 2 greeks/ cypriots. always numerical advantaj.

[BirKibrisli]

Alexander Downer was a bit of a Joke when he was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister...His most memorable act in 10 odd years as FM was to dress up as a woman,complete with fishnet stockings,and do a Jig at one of those foreign affairs conferences...He is capable of doing and saying anything...This video will give you an idea about the Man in charge of finding a solution to Cyprob....

[Paphitis]

Downer will suss out the Turks and never say anything to them again because they misquote and lie.

He is learning the way of the Turk.

He already knew the way of the Turk, a long time ago.

There are many people working behind the scenes, as far away as Australia. They are people working within his party, and so far have been very effective.

And I can tell you, that above all, he is fair. But the GCs have nothing to worry about, as he does know what is right from wrong, and who the recalcitrants really are. Also, be sure that this information is reported to the UN Secretary General.

More will come out in the wash when the talks are over.

Shall I remind you of this when things dont turn out 100% in your favor or will you just demonize him like you did Annan for not taking your side on every issue?

Due to your very poor comprehension skills, you have not been able to grasp the true meaning of my post.

I am happy about this because I did not want little dimwits like yourself to fully understand.

My aims here are to alleviate any paranoias amongst the GCs so that they do not do what you desperately want them to do.

There are no "Time Frames" and this is not the "Last Chance".

And even if these talks fail, the "trnc" will still be in the same boat. You will still be unrecognised and Turkey's EU membership will flounder.

[Paphitis]

Unfortunately the truth is that Downer did say the things Turkish newspapers “Sabah” and “Hurriyet” attribute to him, and for this he has no place anymore as a UN mediator in Cyprus. I have reasons to believe he did say them, and he was not convincing at all in his (non-)rejection statements yesterday, after Christofias and Talat meeting. When a supposedly neutral mediator adopts the Turkish propaganda mottos, namely that it was a mistake that the EU promised membership to Cyprus without a solution and that this will be the last chance and if the problem is not solved by 2009, partition will follow, then the best thing the GC side has to do is to demand his urgent replacement.

Kifeas, this sounds most unlike Alexander Downer. Do you have any valid evidence that confirms this. Because if you can confirm what you state above, then I would be the first to condemn him.

Alexander Downer has in fact undertaken a very critical pro Greek stance in one particular area, which no one will ever be aware of until the completion of the talks.

Unfortunately, the situation here in Australia, is that many traditional Greek Labour supporters do not trust him and are after his neck. They have already caused a lot of damage, as now he refuses to meet anyone that is Greek, Turkish or Cypriot when he is in Australia. He has refused to meet with The Cyprus High Commissioner on several occasions. The only individuals that get an opportunity to lobby him are Greek and Cypriot members of The Liberal Party, of which there are so few. In fact you could count them on 1 hand.

The GC side should immediately call for Downer’s replacement, before worst things come out of his mouth and actions! He is very dangerous!

There are already many Greeks who are calling for Alexander Downer's replacement in Australia. The ironic thing is that the Turkish Community is also doing the same.

Unfortunately, Alexander Downer was not very popular with the migrant Greek and Turkish electorate, who have always been traditionally Labour. He is more popular with the second and third generation.

Alexander Downer also has an Australian panel of advisors working for him. There are rumours from the Greek Community that there is a Turkish Academic on this board. I can confirm that this is not the case, and when the names of these individuals are released, at the end of the negotiations, there will be a lot of very embarrassed people within the Greek community.

It is sad I cannot reveal anything further, but perhaps I may pm you some info that will change your opinion, provided you can be trusted.

It is a fact that our worse enemy and by far the most destructive, is the Greek Community, which unfortunately allows Partisan Politics to get in the way.

What a hypocrite, you changed you tune real quick.

How so?

[Paphitis]

Unfortunately the truth is that Downer did say the things Turkish newspapers “Sabah” and “Hurriyet” attribute to him, and for this he has no place anymore as a UN mediator in Cyprus. I have reasons to believe he did say them, and he was not convincing at all in his (non-)rejection statements yesterday, after Christofias and Talat meeting. When a supposedly neutral mediator adopts the Turkish propaganda mottos, namely that it was a mistake that the EU promised membership to Cyprus without a solution and that this will be the last chance and if the problem is not solved by 2009, partition will follow, then the best thing the GC side has to do is to demand his urgent replacement.

Kifeas, this sounds most unlike Alexander Downer. Do you have any valid evidence that confirms this. Because if you can confirm what you state above, then I would be the first to condemn him.

Alexander Downer has in fact undertaken a very critical pro Greek stance in one particular area, which no one will ever be aware of until the completion of the talks.

Unfortunately, the situation here in Australia, is that many traditional Greek Labour supporters do not trust him and are after his neck. They have already caused a lot of damage, as now he refuses to meet anyone that is Greek, Turkish or Cypriot when he is in Australia. He has refused to meet with The Cyprus High Commissioner on several occasions. The only individuals that get an opportunity to lobby him are Greek and Cypriot members of The Liberal Party, of which there are so few. In fact you could count them on 1 hand.

The GC side should immediately call for Downer’s replacement, before worst things come out of his mouth and actions! He is very dangerous!

There are already many Greeks who are calling for Alexander Downer's replacement in Australia. The ironic thing is that the Turkish Community is also doing the same.

Unfortunately, Alexander Downer was not very popular with the migrant Greek and Turkish electorate, who have always been traditionally Labour. He is more popular with the second and third generation.

Alexander Downer also has an Australian panel of advisors working for him. There are rumours from the Greek Community that there is a Turkish Academic on this board. I can confirm that this is not the case, and when the names of these individuals are released, at the end of the negotiations, there will be a lot of very embarrassed people within the Greek community.

It is sad I cannot reveal anything further, but perhaps I may pm you some info that will change your opinion, provided you can be trusted.

It is a fact that our worse enemy and by far the most destructive, is the Greek Community, which unfortunately allows Partisan Politics to get in the way.

What a hypocrite, you changed you tune real quick.

What do you expect from a Greek?

Careful GR!, because I can see you spit the dummy, AGAIN!

You are very childish and perhaps you need to stop posting in Cyprus Problem. But don't worry, the other baby, Lovernomore, will be back. Just don't fight over the candy.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, I have a complete disrespect for the Turkish media and publications, as they are nothing more than factories of fabrications and distortions for the sole aim of blinding and disorienting the Turkish people. When it comes to Cyprus, 99% of the cases they are out of this planet when it comes to their analyses and claims on facts. I have a strong feeling the case of Alex. Downer is one of those rare 1% cases in which they do not lie. I learned so well in which cases they lie or distort for propaganda purposes, and in which they do not, to the extent that I can recognise immediately as soon as I read something if they do the one or the other. The few doubts I had when I first read those reports in Hurriyet, yesterday morning, vanished as soon as I watched Downer's supposedly "rejection" comments on TV last night. He was not convincing at all, that he did not say those things.

Downer will play an important role, when things come to a dead-lock and he will be required to submit a report to the UN SG and the UN SC in which to administer blame for the impasse. After what he said, I no longer trust he will do his job with the outmost integrity that is required for his role! He will try to safeguard Turkey's interests and throw the blame on both sides equally, even though it is clear that the Turkish side comes to the negotiating table with profoundly extreme, unreasonable and illegitimate demands. He has already -fortunately for us and unfortunately for him, revealed the colours of his shield.

Kifeas,

I believe the whole news from Hurriyet is crap regarding what Downer has said in private meetings with Turkish Officials and here are my reasons.

First of all, in the West and in open societies, it is easy to leak information out from inside the government by unauthorized individuals, and at times, the government does the same by leaking information deliberately, but in close societies and "deep states", leaks are almost unheard of by unauthorised individuals because the penalty will be very swift for them, so the only way any information from the Turkish Government could have come out to the press, would be a deliberate leak by the government, and if Downer did say what was claimed by Hurriyet, then Downer will know that the Turkish Government leaked out the information deliberately which he will not be very happy about it since Downer will know who were in the in the room with him. I believe Downer did not say those things and the Turkish Government deliberately leaked a false report to the press for purely for propaganda purpose to try and get Christofias to agree on any settlement that is demanded by Talat as well as for the GC's to accept it. So I think the Turkish Government have their own "Deep Throat" on the leak given to Hurriyet, but this one is well known to the Government, because in this case, "Deep Throat" was the Turkish government itself. There is no way in the world, that the Turkish Government would release such sensitive matters to the press and get Downer pissed off if in fact Downer did say those things. What would the Turkish Government gain by exposing Downer to the press and the world.? It will cause Downers dismissal from the settlements talks.! Does Turkey want Downer of the talks.? I don't know. What do you think.?

You may be on to something very significant here Kikapu, although it is extremely difficult to prove.

I can tell you that many in the Greek Community are out for his neck. The same also applies with the Turkish Community. Both groups are very traditionally Labour, and hence believe that Alexander is the wrong man for the job purely based on Partisan Politics.

The Turkish Community does not like him because Alexander Downer is setting up a business called Bespoke Approach, in partnership with former Labour Senator Nick Bolkus who is of Greek Heritage. The Greek Community is upset because they are paranoid that Alexander Downer has appointed a Turkish Academic on his advisory panel, which I can confirm is not the case. If only people knew the real facts. They are also upset because of Australia's very "special" relationship with the US, and they fear that ultimately Alexander Downer will serve US interests which are pro Turkish. I have not been able to find any evidence of this, yet. Unfortunately, Kifeas line of thought is very common here in Australia amongst the Greeks, and also the Turks.

What I am increasingly suspicious about is exactly what you are eluding to. That Turkey is trying somehow to undermine him because of Alexander Downers opposition to establishing "Time Frames" which he believes will be detrimental to the peace process, and will result in a another failed plan. This does not suit Turkish Interests or her EU ambitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Downer

Another thing people seem to forget, is the fact that Alexander Downer was instrumental and responsible for the liberation and freedom of East Timor. It is these credentials which are probably the reason why he was chosen as UN envoy on Cyprus.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s52206.htm

[Paphitis]

I believe the whole news from Hurriyet is crap ...

But what about the bit about a "Turkish Academic" in our midst...

Why don't you ask about the "Cypriot Academic" in our midst?

[Paphitis]

Alexander Downer was a bit of a Joke when he was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister...His most memorable act in 10 odd years as FM was to dress up as a woman,complete with fishnet stockings,and do a Jig at one of those foreign affairs conferences...He is capable of doing and saying anything...This video will give you an idea about the Man in charge of finding a solution to Cyprob....

To me, your very silly post just outlines your very political allegiances.

Let me guess, you have been an Australian Labour Voter all your life. It is people like you that make a mockery of democracy. People that vote along party lines without analysing the issues with an ounce of objectivity. Although I am a Liberal Member now, and obliged to vote that way regardless, I can tell you that I too have voted for Labour. I have always been a swinging voter until I became a member of the Liberal Party. But I do not agree with them all the time and I voice my concerns and opinions when I need to. You however are just a sheep.

You have not fooled me for 1 second, Bir. You are the most dangerous Neo Partitionist on this forum. You are the most dangerous because you are a Neo Partitionist in disguise. Don't force me to take away all your credibility, because your Neo Partitionist attributes are right here on this forum for all to see. You are after all on the same "wavelength" as one of the biggest Neo Partitionists to have ever graced this forum.

Have a Merry Xmas!

[miltiades]

Alexander Downer was a bit of a Joke when he was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister...His most memorable act in 10 odd years as FM was to dress up as a woman,complete with fishnet stockings,and do a Jig at one of those foreign affairs conferences...He is capable of doing and saying anything...This video will give you an idea about the Man in charge of finding a solution to Cyprob....

To me, your very silly post just outlines your very political allegiances.

Let me guess, you have been an Australian Labour Voter all your life. It is people like you that make a mockery of democracy. People that vote along party lines without analysing the issues with an ounce of objectivity. Although I am a Liberal Member now, and obliged to vote that way regardless, I can tell you that I too have voted for Labour. I have always been a swinging voter until I became a member of the Liberal Party. But I do not agree with them all the time and I voice my concerns and opinions when I need to. You however are just a sheep.

You have not fooled me for 1 second, Bir. You are the most dangerous Neo Partitionist on this forum. You are the most dangerous because you are a Neo Partitionist in disguise. Don't force me to take away all your credibility, because your Neo Partitionist attributes are right here on this forum for all to see. You are after all on the same "wavelength" as one of the biggest Neo Partitionists to have ever graced this forum.

Have a Merry Xmas!

Paphitis , will you please grow up and understand one thing clearly.
Bir is the most respected member on this forum for being consistently and unreservedly a Cypriot FIRST and a T/C subsequently . You on the other hand profess that you are a true patriot and yet you sell your island and your real ethnicity down the river by claiming the nonsense that we are a nation of Greeks which WE ARE NOT . We are a nation of Cypriots with our own heritage and a very long history , we have never been a part of Greece we are not Greeks , we are Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots , together we make up this nation called Cyprus . I'm a proud Cypriot why on earth would I need to be a Greek first and then a Cypriot.As far as I'm concerned mate we are way ahead in every social , political and civil sphere from both the Greeks and the Turks .
The poison administered in our peoples brains derived from the two foreign nations responsible for all of our predicament.
ps: no lectures on the difference between ethnicity and nationality .