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[bigOz]

People seriously need to start understanding the difference between statehood and ethnicity.

If and when they do, there will be nothing left for many to argue in a forum since ignorance, ethnic fanatism and hate radiation will need to stop. Many in this forum might just find that too boring!!!

[Byron]

Miltiades,

If we are not GREEKS why is the language of the GREEK Community GREEK and why is our religion primarily GREEK ORTHODOX. There is no common CYPRIOT language because both communities share different cultures. Furthermore the vast majority of TC's do not wish to be part of any alliance with the GC's. Your comments please ?

English is the official language, and native language of most people, in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States. Yet the citizens of these countries do not look towards England as the "motherland". National identity does not have to be based on language - French, German, Italian and Romansch speaking Swiss display intense loyalty towards their own country. Language is only the prime determiner of national identity if people choose to make it so.

So what you are saying is that it is only by pure accident or coincidence that we speak GREEK, are baptized GREEK ORTHODOX, celebrate 25 March and the 28 October as National holidays and also sing the same national anthem. If we are ethinic background is not GREEK maybe it is OTTOMAN ?

[Byron]

Alexander Downer was a bit of a Joke when he was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister...His most memorable act in 10 odd years as FM was to dress up as a woman,complete with fishnet stockings,and do a Jig at one of those foreign affairs conferences...He is capable of doing and saying anything...This video will give you an idea about the Man in charge of finding a solution to Cyprob....

To me, your very silly post just outlines your very political allegiances.

Let me guess, you have been an Australian Labour Voter all your life. It is people like you that make a mockery of democracy. People that vote along party lines without analysing the issues with an ounce of objectivity. Although I am a Liberal Member now, and obliged to vote that way regardless, I can tell you that I too have voted for Labour. I have always been a swinging voter until I became a member of the Liberal Party. But I do not agree with them all the time and I voice my concerns and opinions when I need to. You however are just a sheep.

You have not fooled me for 1 second, Bir. You are the most dangerous Neo Partitionist on this forum. You are the most dangerous because you are a Neo Partitionist in disguise. Don't force me to take away all your credibility, because your Neo Partitionist attributes are right here on this forum for all to see. You are after all on the same "wavelength" as one of the biggest Neo Partitionists to have ever graced this forum.

Have a Merry Xmas!

Paphitis , will you please grow up and understand one thing clearly.
Bir is the most respected member on this forum for being consistently and unreservedly a Cypriot FIRST and a T/C subsequently . You on the other hand profess that you are a true patriot and yet you sell your island and your real ethnicity down the river by claiming the nonsense that we are a nation of Greeks which WE ARE NOT . We are a nation of Cypriots with our own heritage and a very long history , we have never been a part of Greece we are not Greeks , we are Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots , together we make up this nation called Cyprus . I'm a proud Cypriot why on earth would I need to be a Greek first and then a Cypriot.As far as I'm concerned mate we are way ahead in every social , political and civil sphere from both the Greeks and the Turks .
The poison administered in our peoples brains derived from the two foreign nations responsible for all of our predicament.
ps: no lectures on the difference between ethnicity and nationality .

tHANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE,DEAR MILTIADES....
I really couldn't bothered to reply to Paphidis any more....He can think as highly as he wants of Downer....But the man was a laughing stock of Australian politics...He was briefly the leader of the Liberals while in opposition,and he was run out of town for making stupid,insensitive remarks about women and aboriginees....That Paphidis thinks highly of this man says a lot about Paphidis and his maturity as an Australian voter...The less said about his views on Cyprus is the better...

Miltiades,

If we are not GREEKS why is the language of the GREEK Community GREEK and why is our religion primarily GREEK ORTHODOX. There is no common CYPRIOT language because both communities share different cultures. Furthermore the vast majority of TC's do not wish to be part of any alliance with the GC's. Your comments please ?

Byron , I'm pretty consistent and crystal clear as to what I'm and the rest of other G/Cs are as against what they perceive they are.
I'm a G/C whose ethnicity is unquestionably Cypriot and not Greek , a Greek is a native of Greece or a descendant of Greek ancestry. Since I'm not a native of Greece and since I'm not a descendant of Greek ancestry then , just like the English speaking peoples of the world who share religion and language with the ENGLISH , but are natives of their respective nations , New Zealand Australia etc etc.
I believe that the indigenous people of Cyprus , either G/Cs , T/Cs , Armenians , Maronites etc are first and foremost CYPRIOTS.
Byron , did you know that the Cypriot people are the only people in the universe who question their "nativeness" , the Maltese do not and neither do any other people the world over.
Even our .... potatoes are commonly referred to as Cypriot potatoes why on earth should I or you be anything else other than the product of the indigenous race , that of the Cypriot.

My ancestors were Cyprus NOT ELLINES but G/Cs , distinctly different .

Over to Paphitis, Oracle and Yialousa !

Well Byron all three are foreigners mate

No we are FOUR - and looks like you and GR are in the minority. Enjoy the potatoes over Christmas .

No we are not , how dare you , my birth country is Cyprus and you are telling me that Im in the minority !!! Good god man , a kalamaras is a native of Greece O Kipreos a native of Cyprus. May I also say something Byron. In the struggle against the British I too participated , albeit in a small way but was convinced that ENOSIS was indeed the aspiration of all Cypriots , knowing what I know today let me tell you that WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE ONES DEMONSTRADING AND DEMANDING ENOSIS BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE GREEKS WHO SHOULD BE DEMANDING ENOSIS WITH US.
We are a nation that the entire world recognises as an independent entity , that we are related to the Greeks is beyond question but to subscribe to the myth that we are Greeks is a tragedy . WE ARE CYPRIOTS .

I respect your opinion but I disagree with your views. I cannot imagine that the majority of greek cypriots have denounced their Hellenic
roots.

I am afraid that you so called "Cypriots" live in a world of tragedy. No common language, no common culture and no common religion. You forget that your so called Independence was and is granted with the guarantor of Greece but then again you would disagree. Enjoy your Christmas anyway.

From a GREEK from Cyprus - Byron .

Those "Hellenic" roots , and in the case of the T/C the Turkish roots , are the ones that produced the tree of hatred , murder and mayhem amongst our people . Remember that I have always considered my self to be a Greek Cypriot with the utmost of emphasis on the " Cypriot" .
Shame that the Guarantor nation of Greece failed miserably in 1974 .
Happy Xmas .

As I have already posted before the shame is on the GREEK JUNTA and not on the GREEK NATION !! and as OrACLE mentioned a while back - what did the so called Cypriots do to help GREECE during the early JUNTA years- nothing. So, we could spend hours, days, years arguing over this point but the fact is only GREECE is standing side by side with Cyprus now.

I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus.

[Byron]

Alexander Downer was a bit of a Joke when he was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister...His most memorable act in 10 odd years as FM was to dress up as a woman,complete with fishnet stockings,and do a Jig at one of those foreign affairs conferences...He is capable of doing and saying anything...This video will give you an idea about the Man in charge of finding a solution to Cyprob....

To me, your very silly post just outlines your very political allegiances.

Let me guess, you have been an Australian Labour Voter all your life. It is people like you that make a mockery of democracy. People that vote along party lines without analysing the issues with an ounce of objectivity. Although I am a Liberal Member now, and obliged to vote that way regardless, I can tell you that I too have voted for Labour. I have always been a swinging voter until I became a member of the Liberal Party. But I do not agree with them all the time and I voice my concerns and opinions when I need to. You however are just a sheep.

You have not fooled me for 1 second, Bir. You are the most dangerous Neo Partitionist on this forum. You are the most dangerous because you are a Neo Partitionist in disguise. Don't force me to take away all your credibility, because your Neo Partitionist attributes are right here on this forum for all to see. You are after all on the same "wavelength" as one of the biggest Neo Partitionists to have ever graced this forum.

Have a Merry Xmas!

Paphitis , will you please grow up and understand one thing clearly.
Bir is the most respected member on this forum for being consistently and unreservedly a Cypriot FIRST and a T/C subsequently . You on the other hand profess that you are a true patriot and yet you sell your island and your real ethnicity down the river by claiming the nonsense that we are a nation of Greeks which WE ARE NOT . We are a nation of Cypriots with our own heritage and a very long history , we have never been a part of Greece we are not Greeks , we are Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots , together we make up this nation called Cyprus . I'm a proud Cypriot why on earth would I need to be a Greek first and then a Cypriot.As far as I'm concerned mate we are way ahead in every social , political and civil sphere from both the Greeks and the Turks .
The poison administered in our peoples brains derived from the two foreign nations responsible for all of our predicament.
ps: no lectures on the difference between ethnicity and nationality .

tHANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE,DEAR MILTIADES....
I really couldn't bothered to reply to Paphidis any more....He can think as highly as he wants of Downer....But the man was a laughing stock of Australian politics...He was briefly the leader of the Liberals while in opposition,and he was run out of town for making stupid,insensitive remarks about women and aboriginees....That Paphidis thinks highly of this man says a lot about Paphidis and his maturity as an Australian voter...The less said about his views on Cyprus is the better...

Miltiades,

If we are not GREEKS why is the language of the GREEK Community GREEK and why is our religion primarily GREEK ORTHODOX. There is no common CYPRIOT language because both communities share different cultures. Furthermore the vast majority of TC's do not wish to be part of any alliance with the GC's. Your comments please ?

Byron , I'm pretty consistent and crystal clear as to what I'm and the rest of other G/Cs are as against what they perceive they are.
I'm a G/C whose ethnicity is unquestionably Cypriot and not Greek , a Greek is a native of Greece or a descendant of Greek ancestry. Since I'm not a native of Greece and since I'm not a descendant of Greek ancestry then , just like the English speaking peoples of the world who share religion and language with the ENGLISH , but are natives of their respective nations , New Zealand Australia etc etc.
I believe that the indigenous people of Cyprus , either G/Cs , T/Cs , Armenians , Maronites etc are first and foremost CYPRIOTS.
Byron , did you know that the Cypriot people are the only people in the universe who question their "nativeness" , the Maltese do not and neither do any other people the world over.
Even our .... potatoes are commonly referred to as Cypriot potatoes why on earth should I or you be anything else other than the product of the indigenous race , that of the Cypriot.

My ancestors were Cyprus NOT ELLINES but G/Cs , distinctly different .

Over to Paphitis, Oracle and Yialousa !

Well Byron all three are foreigners mate

No we are FOUR - and looks like you and GR are in the minority. Enjoy the potatoes over Christmas .

Don't include me in any of your groups, as I only work alone. I am not a nationalist coupist supporter.

I am just a Cypriot, who also appreciates my Helenistic roots. No Turk is going to make me change. I am who I am.

NOBODY IS CALLING YOU A NATIONALIST COUPIST SUPPORTER, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO REFER - IMMEDIATE CLARIFICATION REQUIRED.

immediate, immediate, immediate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[miltiades]

Byron wrote:
"""As I have already posted before the shame is on the GREEK JUNTA and not on the GREEK NATION !! and as OrACLE mentioned a while back - what did the so called Cypriots do to help GREECE during the early JUNTA years- nothing. So, we could spend hours, days, years arguing over this point but the fact is only GREECE is standing side by side with Cyprus now.

I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus. ""

The entire nation is responsible for putting up with the Junta for 7 years without any resistance , their valleys and mountains , squares and parks were covered with their idiotic banners proclaiming the usual rubbish that one would expect from nationalistic freaks , remember " ELLAS ELLINON XRISTIANON " H EPANASTASIS IPIRXE ISTORIKI ANAGEOTIS " Remember the famous speech by Patakos in Thessaliniki " OXI PLEON KAFENIA DOULIA DOULIA DOULIA !!! What a bunch of losers !!
I dont trust the Greeks never have done and never will , they do not trust themselves for crying out loud , corrupt to the bone and you expect me to be one of them ??
As far as your comment " I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus. ""
let me tell you that Miltiades has NEVER MOVED has always been consistent and has always been a G/C but Cypriot first . May I remind you that the G/C is utterly different from the Greek in that we are Cypriots and they are not , well I suppose we cant all be fortunate !!

[Get Real!]

As I have already posted before the shame is on the GREEK JUNTA and not on the GREEK NATION !! and as OrACLE mentioned a while back - what did the so called Cypriots do to help GREECE during the early JUNTA years- nothing. So, we could spend hours, days, years arguing over this point but the fact is only GREECE is standing side by side with Cyprus now.

I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus.

It's over dude forget it! No guts no glory...

[halil]

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[Oracle]

Byron wrote:
"""As I have already posted before the shame is on the GREEK JUNTA and not on the GREEK NATION !! and as OrACLE mentioned a while back - what did the so called Cypriots do to help GREECE during the early JUNTA years- nothing. So, we could spend hours, days, years arguing over this point but the fact is only GREECE is standing side by side with Cyprus now.

I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus. ""

The entire nation is responsible for putting up with the Junta for 7 years without any resistance , their valleys and mountains , squares and parks were covered with their idiotic banners proclaiming the usual rubbish that one would expect from nationalistic freaks , remember " ELLAS ELLINON XRISTIANON " H EPANASTASIS IPIRXE ISTORIKI ANAGEOTIS " Remember the famous speech by Patakos in Thessaliniki " OXI PLEON KAFENIA DOULIA DOULIA DOULIA !!! What a bunch of losers !!
I dont trust the Greeks never have done and never will , they do not trust themselves for crying out loud , corrupt to the bone and you expect me to be one of them ??
As far as your comment " I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus. ""
let me tell you that Miltiades has NEVER MOVED has always been consistent and has always been a G/C but Cypriot first . May I remind you that the G/C is utterly different from the Greek in that we are Cypriots and they are not , well I suppose we cant all be fortunate !!

By your own admission Miltiades, you were a supporter of Enosis, and you only backtracked to please the Turks, post 1974, in the hope that they will leave our country alone.

Whilst it is admirable to want your country back, it is a coward who denies his roots to avoid penalties, because he is too stupid, as you appear to be, to find a way to resolve conflicts, without selling his soul, as you are doing!

Think about how you would have appeared to "Little Miltiades" who was born and raised as a GREEK Cypriot ... you would be a let down and an embarrassment!

[Byron]

As I have already posted before the shame is on the GREEK JUNTA and not on the GREEK NATION !! and as OrACLE mentioned a while back - what did the so called Cypriots do to help GREECE during the early JUNTA years- nothing. So, we could spend hours, days, years arguing over this point but the fact is only GREECE is standing side by side with Cyprus now.

I'm glad now you moved from Cypriot to Greek Cypriot - i.e. a GREEK from Cyprus.

It's over dude forget it! No guts no glory...

NO GUTS NO GLORY ? What means man ?
Speaka the english eh ?

[BirKibrisli]

A bit rich considering that the previous Australian Government was arguably the most successful and popular administrations in Australian History. If he was a laughing stock, then why did the Australian people keep re-electing the same Government over 12 years? The Howard, Downer, and Costello Government would not have been referred as "The A Team" by the popular electorate and media for no reason. The strong fiscal policies of this Government actually turned a 14% unemployment rate to 4%, a 100 Billion Dollar budget deficit to a strong surplus, annual growth of 4%, wiped out Australia's foreign debt, and virtually turned all Australian investors into paper millionaires.

As for his views on Cyprus, I could actually tell you what they are, but I won't. Just be sure that he does know who is right and who is wrong, but above all he will conduct himself in a very professional and fair way. His record speaks for itself, and the Australian Electorate did re-elect him time and time again. He held his electorate for 25 years until he resigned in order to become UN envoy to Cyprus. He also played a crucial role in the Liberation and Independence of East Timor.

You cannot talk,Paphidis... You are a member of the Liberal Party,and hence not an objective commentator...I am a swinging voter as well and I have voted for the Fraser Liberal government in the past...They were people of integrity...The Howard government was popular but it was not good...In fact it was a disgrace,a reactionary government which in social policy took Austalia back to the 1950s...Under Howard racism became respectable in Australia,and we had the first race riots in Sydney where white Anglo supremists attacked anybody who looked mildly Middle eastern without serious consequences..Under Howard the native Australians got a raw deal,and Multiculturalism became a dirty word...Under Howard the environment was totally ignored and the Kyoto threaty was not ratified...Howard became Bush's deputy and followed him blindly into the mindless Iraq war...Under Howard individual freedoms dwindled under the guise of fighting for terrorism...Howard's was the most oppressive regime since his hero Menzies' from back in the early 60s....If,as someone from an ethnic background, you found the Howard government acceptable you need your head examined...Something is seriously missing on the top paddock...

What a load of rubbish. The Howard Government absolutely did nothing that encouraged any race riots whatsoever.

And yes, under Howard, Australianism became paramount which is quite crucial for a young country developing her own identity. It does not mean he was disrespectful to multiculturism.

As for Australia's very "special" relationship with the US, I think you will find that this has been the case since WWII, and no matter which administration is in power, it will never change. The Rudd Government is just as much pro US as anyone before him. Foreign Policy does not change when we have a change in Government. The only thing that changes is the window dressing.

As for me, I have always felt free in Australia. I feel more free today due to very responsible national security and border security initiatives by the Howard Government. I feel safe when I travel and don't give a damn about the extra security measures that I encounter at Australian Airports. I could not give a damn either, if ASIO decide to tap my phones, because I am no terrorist and also have nothing to hide. I am also glad that Australia's extensive security networks uncovered an Al Qaeda cell that was planning to bomb the Rialto Towers.

I am just one ethnic who found Howard acceptable. And believe me when I tell you there are thousands more that did. Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Germans, and even Turks found him acceptable. Usually these ethnics that did find him acceptable were more your entrepreneurial or educated types, whilst the first generations probably did not find Howard palatable.

Bottom line is that the Howard Government was popular, and was exactly the type of administration Australia needed at the time. You will also find that Australia may very well return to a Liberal Government if the current economic crisis continues, because the Rudd Government has the fiscal policies of a wombat. When things get tough, Australians vote Liberal. That must tell you something.

Pity you were not anywhere near the Cronulla Beach on that day the White supremists decided to beat up anyone looking like you and me...
You might be singing another tune now....