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Racism in South Cyprus getting worse

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:32 pm

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Piratis wrote:Where did I justify them? :roll: I always condemn such actions and I give absolutely no excuse to them.

However this incident has absolutely nothing to do with the Cyprus problem.

What has to do with the Cyprus problem, is the fact that some TCs/Turks are using some irrelevant event that could happen in every other country as an excuse for their own racism against hundreds of thousands of innocent people.


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I disagree with you that this incident is not related to Cyprus problem because these racist thugs show identical racial aggression towards TC's also and what makes it worse is that your administration do not do much in the way of punishing them.


Racists exists everywhere and they have always existed. It is not a problem that can be totally solved.

If you support the human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people using such incidents as an excuse, then you are a racist yourself.


You know damn well i don't support human rights violation of ANY Cypriot and i am not afraid of condoning this violation at every opportunity.
I only wish you did the same...then we might get somewhere..


Then tell me how is this thread related to the Cyprus Problem, other than some racist trying to use some incident as an excuse for their racist actions against 100s of thousands of innocent people.
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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:33 pm

State would do well to tackle its own racism first
(archive article - Sunday, May 25, 2008)

Sir,

I read last week’s headlines about racism with interest, particularly the heavy protestations and condemnations by senior politicians against the phenomenon. They appeared to say that people should treat all others as equals as per the EU Treaty that this island has signed up to and agreed to abide by.

How can they have the nerve to suggest that the general population needs to change their attitude? The most blatant and aggressive racism in this country is operated by the government and its organisations. A small example, Larnaca Marina, owned and operated by CTO, charges Cypriots less than non-Cypriots for the mooring of their boats! They actually have two price lists and have been aware that this is illegal for four years and have done nothing. Complaints are constantly being made but are met either with indifference or threats to charge the daily rate which is even higher. Boats have left this country because of it.

So I suggest that before the establishment lectures the electorate it puts its own house in order, otherwise it can add hypocrisy to racism and lose even more credibility. Perhaps they should try a different approach, leading by example – obviously a new concept for them, but it would mean they would have to abide by the law as they expect others to do. Would they find this difficult I wonder?

Ian Barnett, Oroklini

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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:38 pm

A child’s bitter struggle against racism
By Stefanos Evripidou
(archive article - Thursday, May 15, 2008)

A TEENAGE boy yesterday stunned an audience of educators, highlighting the deep-rooted problems of racism in Cyprus, when he used the words “inhuman” and “painful” to describe his “dream” move to the island.

Andrei Stefan from Romania was asked to address a conference organised by the Nicosia Municipality and Palouriotissa Gymnasium entitled: “The smooth integration of immigrants into Cypriot society: The contribution of the school and local authority.”

Speaking to an audience of teachers, parents, psychologists and researchers at Famagusta Gate in Nicosia, Andrei eloquently described in his now word-perfect Greek just how prejudice, racism and discrimination turned his dream move to Cyprus into a nightmare.

The 16-year-old came to Cyprus five years ago with his mother. “We came hoping for a better tomorrow and for better living conditions since in our country, Romania, we faced many problems.”

He told how his mother had described the country and the friends he would make once over here. “Even though I would speak, read and write in a foreign language, I used my mother’s words for comfort, ‘a better tomorrow’, that’s all I asked for.”

“Instead of that, during my time at primary school, I endured an inhuman and painful experience with the children I met here. They tormented me with names and bad behaviour. Through all this I struggled to find a path to the better tomorrow that every immigrant searches for in a new country,” said Andrei.

“I tried to justify inhuman and harsh behaviour that I got from all the kids, but I found no justification. The only thing that made us different was our country of origin and the language we spoke,” noted the teenager.

Andrei highlighted that the current approach to foreigners living in Cyprus prevented the country from taking advantage of what immigrants have to offer, their customs and traditions but also their own approaches to solving different problems.

“The problem is we don’t get the chance to express ourselves, to state what we know and can offer,” he said.

“Our proposed solutions are very often not accepted, they are faced with prejudice, and the excuse that ‘This is Cyprus, you are not in your country now’,” he added.

“This racist behaviour troubles us greatly. It doesn’t let us participate with our views in solving problems, or improving everyday conditions, of which, at the end of the day, we are a part.”

Andrei gave as an example the different approaches to entertainment. He argued that local teenagers had a “misconception” of what freedom is.

“I believe we enjoyed healthier forms of entertainment [in Romania] where we had more participation but also help from the community, something we don’t find here.”

Asked to elaborate, Andrei said back home teenagers would get help to play in and stage a rock concert in their neighbourhood where members of the community and friends would come and enjoy in a party atmosphere.

“We’ve been trying to do the same for six months now and getting nowhere. Instead we end up going to clubs and bars and getting arrested by police,” he said.

The teenager noted that racism was not everywhere, and thanked those who welcomed him with open arms, referring to his “inspired teachers”.

Asked what advice he had for others like him coming to Cyprus he said: “Don’t be different.”

Advice for Cyprus?

“A change of attitude. Don’t look at someone and the first thing you see is difference.”

He argued for more discussion in households, schools and the media about diversity in people: “So everything doesn’t look so foreign to them, so they don’t find it strange when they come across different physical characteristics, so they don’t think children from other countries with different cultures and views are wrong.”

A first step would be to provide proper support for foreigners coming to Cyprus to learn the language.

“We don’t seek special treatment, we ask for equal treatment without discrimination,” concluded Andrei.


CHAIRMAN of the House Education Committee, Nicos Tornaritis, yesterday called on Cypriots with racist tendencies to take note of the fact that without economic migrants, Cyprus never would have joined the EU.

Speaking at a conference dealing with the integration of immigrants in Cyprus, Tornaritis highlighted the fact that certain parents in particular schools put all the problems faced at schools on the shoulders of foreign children.

“Some guy comes up and asks me how are we going to live with all these Poles, Brits, Russians etc, he doesn’t even mention Turkish Cypriots. But what have we been fighting for all these years if not to live with Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Latins, Armenians, and yes, economic migrants,” said Tornaritis.

Nicosia Mayor Eleni Mavrou criticised the media for failing to focus on the positive aspects of multiculturalism in Cyprus, where immigration counts for 10-14 per cent of the population.

“I see there are no media and cameras (bar two journalists) here today. I’m sure if local children where fighting with foreign children in school, the cameras would have been there in no time. The media have responsibility to report on the positive as well as the negative,” she said.

Headmistress of Palouriotissa gymnasium, Maria Theodotou, told the conference that one positive came out from the many negatives of a recent study undertaken by the school.

“When asked if children have problems co-existing with immigrant children, the majority said NO.”

The same study revealed that the majority of parents did not want their children being friends with foreign children or even in the same class.

Theodotou said education needed readjustment to the new realities in Cyprus, “going beyond the traditional mono-cultural and mono-language character of education”.

Paraphrasing and updating the words of the ancient orator Pericles, she said: “We have our place open to foreigners but at the same time, we have our hearts and minds open to diversity.”

Academic Constantinos Fellas stressed the need for recognition of the problem and for dialogue.

“Racism is not something we can hide in the closet nor can it be accepted as a ‘soft’ form of ‘xenophobia’ based on naivety and/or ignorance,” he said.



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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:44 pm

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miltiades wrote:The foreigner wrote:

"""If you weren't such a pillock and bothered to take your head out of your own backside, you'd know that the Turkish flag is the flag of the TCs and according to the Cyprus constitution it is not a foreign flag. ""

Which Cyprus constitution mate , the one that stated that Turkey can occupy a third of Cyprus and plonkers like you call it the TRNC ?? which CONSTITUTION FOREIGNER


Have you grown out of the puberty age yet or are your hormones still causing havoc in your brain? :lol:

I take it you are unable to defend the indefensible so you retort to moronic and childish crap . I'm old enough to be your father at 62 , I can tell that you are no more than 12 years old !!

Foreigner , Turkey is a vast country , plenty of room for your kind who consider her as their motherland whilst living in my country , go join her mate !!


Adding to your age to make you look "intelligent" and "mature" does not do you any good. Your childish behaviour in calling me and others "foreigners" is nothing short of childishly immature. But if you are that old, then it is of little wonder that you behave like an immature child, they say it's normal at your age. :lol:

PS: I see that since I mentioned the CF and the cyprus-mail as my source of information, you very quickly stopped claiming that the information is found in the gutter. :lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:46 pm

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doesntmatter wrote:Police in South Greek Cyprus get away with murder with the blessing of the "government". :roll:


Finally, you reveal, that it's your integrity which "doesnmatter". :lol:

What an absurd, unfounded statement from the labyrinthine dark recesses of a mind better suited to barrel-scraping, managing to exude nothing but general gripes from disgruntled illegal migrants trying to force the police to let them stay in Cyprus.

How quickly does Turkey process migrant applications?... and how does Turkey cope with its many asylum seekers desperate to stay in a free democracy ... :lol:

So :? ....I wonder what has happened to those Dutch tourists the Turks took away for questioning, some months ago ... :roll:


You will not hide your own and that of your "country's" racism by attacking other countries, no matter how hard you try. :wink:
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Postby Piratis » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:56 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
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Piratis wrote:Where did I justify them? :roll: I always condemn such actions and I give absolutely no excuse to them.

However this incident has absolutely nothing to do with the Cyprus problem.

What has to do with the Cyprus problem, is the fact that some TCs/Turks are using some irrelevant event that could happen in every other country as an excuse for their own racism against hundreds of thousands of innocent people.


"irrelevant event"?

A 15 year old girl is beaten up by a bunch of racist thugs just because they lost the match, the police does nothing whatsoever to arrest and procecute the perpetrators and you have the cheek to call it an "irrelevant event".

This has everything to do with the Cyprus problem which you are trying to sweep under the carpet because we all know that this sort of racist "events" has happned many times in the past against TCs and the police did absolutely nothing about it.

Shame on you to call this an "irrelevant event" and being a moderator makes it even worse. :roll:


You criminal scum are the last person on earth to give to me lectures about racism. You are trying to use this issue looking for ways to excuse your own racist actions against 100s of thousands of innocent people. It is perfectly obvious why you started this topic here.

Every day you keep 100s of thousands of innocent people out of their own homes at gunpoint, and if they dare to demonstrate against your illegal actions you kill them, as it happened with Isaak and Solomou.

And this is only your racism as exhibited against us. I will not even go to other incidents, such as murders of Armenian journalists, and the criminal actions of your beloved Gray Wolves.

In Cyprus we might have some problem of racism like every other country, but still our journalists can write about it and you can read it. In Turkey the state itself is racist, and racist groups like the Gray Wolves are sponsored by the state. Journalists in Turkey that even dare to talk about these things risk to be murdered, jailed or exiled.

So yes, racism is a problem and you and the regime you support are part of this problem.


You as a Moderater should know that personal attacks are against forum rules, who the hell made you a "Moderator"? If you can't keep your emotions and personal attacks on forum members under control then you have no right being a moderator and should resign.

Listen mate, the only reason why Cyprus is divided with a border running through is because of GCs like you who want to punish us for what the Ottoman supposidly did to the GCs hundreds of years ago. God knows you repeat the same crap in almost everyone of your posts.

People like you are the type that would hang a whole family along with a murderer and not just the guilty person. The "regime" I support is to keep me and the rest of the TCs safe from people like you who would at the very first chance do the same to us what the racist scum did to the poor girl, if not worse.

What you are doing here is no better than the GC police in the South. As a "Moderator" it is your duty to stop racism and personal attacks in the forum but instead you let it go on and even join in and call me a "criminal scum". Shame on you and shame on the person who made you a "Moderator".

With people like you around there will never be a unification or peace on the island. :roll:


If it was my duty to stop racism then criminal racists like you would have been banned long time ago. Fortunately for you this is not my duty and this is why you are allowed to spout your hatred and try to excuse your racist, illegal and criminal actions against 100s of thousands of innocent people.

Apparently you are unable to answer to the facts I gave, so you are trying to silence me by crying "moderator this, moderator that" :roll:

The Greek Cypriots my friend forgave the Turks for 300+ years of oppression and until the 1950s we were living together with no problem. Unfortunately in 1958, merely 80 years ofter the end of your oppressive rule, you attacked us again and restarted the conflict which goes on until today.

Greek Cypriots have shown how forgiving they can be, and they would be forgiving again if you finally stopped committing crimes against us and stopped trying to gain on our expense.

But as long as racist criminals like you exist who are trying to find excuses to take our land and violate our rights, then we will say it as it is, and you can't silence us. Your racist Turkish laws which criminalize the truth do not touch us, so deal with it.
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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:07 pm

Piratis wrote:
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Piratis wrote:Where did I justify them? :roll: I always condemn such actions and I give absolutely no excuse to them.

However this incident has absolutely nothing to do with the Cyprus problem.

What has to do with the Cyprus problem, is the fact that some TCs/Turks are using some irrelevant event that could happen in every other country as an excuse for their own racism against hundreds of thousands of innocent people.


"irrelevant event"?

A 15 year old girl is beaten up by a bunch of racist thugs just because they lost the match, the police does nothing whatsoever to arrest and procecute the perpetrators and you have the cheek to call it an "irrelevant event".

This has everything to do with the Cyprus problem which you are trying to sweep under the carpet because we all know that this sort of racist "events" has happned many times in the past against TCs and the police did absolutely nothing about it.

Shame on you to call this an "irrelevant event" and being a moderator makes it even worse. :roll:


You criminal scum are the last person on earth to give to me lectures about racism. You are trying to use this issue looking for ways to excuse your own racist actions against 100s of thousands of innocent people. It is perfectly obvious why you started this topic here.

Every day you keep 100s of thousands of innocent people out of their own homes at gunpoint, and if they dare to demonstrate against your illegal actions you kill them, as it happened with Isaak and Solomou.

And this is only your racism as exhibited against us. I will not even go to other incidents, such as murders of Armenian journalists, and the criminal actions of your beloved Gray Wolves.

In Cyprus we might have some problem of racism like every other country, but still our journalists can write about it and you can read it. In Turkey the state itself is racist, and racist groups like the Gray Wolves are sponsored by the state. Journalists in Turkey that even dare to talk about these things risk to be murdered, jailed or exiled.

So yes, racism is a problem and you and the regime you support are part of this problem.


You as a Moderater should know that personal attacks are against forum rules, who the hell made you a "Moderator"? If you can't keep your emotions and personal attacks on forum members under control then you have no right being a moderator and should resign.

Listen mate, the only reason why Cyprus is divided with a border running through is because of GCs like you who want to punish us for what the Ottoman supposidly did to the GCs hundreds of years ago. God knows you repeat the same crap in almost everyone of your posts.

People like you are the type that would hang a whole family along with a murderer and not just the guilty person. The "regime" I support is to keep me and the rest of the TCs safe from people like you who would at the very first chance do the same to us what the racist scum did to the poor girl, if not worse.

What you are doing here is no better than the GC police in the South. As a "Moderator" it is your duty to stop racism and personal attacks in the forum but instead you let it go on and even join in and call me a "criminal scum". Shame on you and shame on the person who made you a "Moderator".

With people like you around there will never be a unification or peace on the island. :roll:


If it was my duty to stop racism then criminal racists like you would have been banned long time ago. Fortunately for you this is not my duty and this is why you are allowed to spout your hatred and try to excuse your racist, illegal and criminal actions against 100s of thousands of innocent people.

Apparently you are unable to answer to the facts I gave, so you are trying to silence me by crying "moderator this, moderator that" :roll:

The Greek Cypriots my friend forgave the Turks for 300+ years of oppression and until the 1950s we were living together with no problem. Unfortunately in 1958, merely 80 years ofter the end of your oppressive rule, you attacked us again and restarted the conflict which goes on until today.

Greek Cypriots have shown how forgiving they can be, and they would be forgiving again if you finally stopped committing crimes against us and stopped trying to gain on our expense.

But as long as racist criminals like you exist who are trying to find excuses to take our land and violate our rights, then we will say it as it is, and you can't silence us. Your racist Turkish laws which criminalize the truth do not touch us, so deal with it.


You are the lowest forum of scum Piratis, nothing else can be said about you.


Go tell your lies to little kids whom you can brainwash, no sane person beleives a word that comes out of you mouth. :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:33 pm

I see no arguments from you to refute anything from what I said. You are just in denial.

Whatever makes you feel better :roll:
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Postby halil » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:52 pm

I hope one day some one can translate KUTLU ADALI books called Dagarcık into English and we can see how things were in 50's , 63 's just i bought these 2 books . these books are written down by KUTLU ADALI ..... The Writer which he was killed in TRNC .... Up to now his killers didn't find yet .....
In these books you can find how 45 of the TC2s villages people were converted to Christianity , how the prists were advising TC's not to make child and how they were supplying them candoms ..... how the TC's Cypriots were organising ...... etc.... etc ..... these books are not written by nationalist , i bet we all know who was the Kutlu Adalı .

May be TİM might get them as well to light up the forum .You know TİM where is the Galari Kültür book shop . It is so close the Kahvehane that you go .

Turkish speaking peoples can get them from ISIK KITAPEVI or from GALERI KULTUR in Nicosia . I bought my ones from 8YTL each and codes for the books are 13K00017 and 15K00019 .


In book 2 (II.Cilt ) story of the Ayşe cik is very interesting .from this story i bought these books . I was searching relationship by Maronite's and Turkish Cypriots and someone told me read about her story .
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Postby Oracle » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:24 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Oracle wrote:So :? ....I wonder what has happened to those Dutch tourists the Turks took away for questioning, some months ago ... :roll:


You will not hide your own and that of your "country's" racism by attacking other countries, no matter how hard you try. :wink:


You have not shown any racism that is unique to Cyprus, though I see you have been trying hard :lol:

Now! Care to answer what you have avoided several times ... or are you just trying to make out everybody else is as bad as Turkey?

You are on to a loser mate! Turkey is a record-breaking violator ....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18945
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