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[Get Real!]

Get Real,
May be you know the answer to these related questions : did the Republic of Cyprus demand the termination of the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Did the Republic of Turkey renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the UK renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the Republic of Greece renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Unbeknownst to most it seems, nobody needs to do anything as the treaty has automatically terminated as a result of multiple international treaty laws and the UN Charter overriding it.

With regards to Turkey, she has even taken it a step further by officially announcing that she does not even recognize the RoC thereby making it impossible for her to recognize some treaty relating to the RoC!

[Viewpoint]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

Why do you cling onto those same agreements today? and even have the nerve to ask us back? so that you can create Akritas 2?

[Kikapu]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

Why do you cling onto those same agreements today? and even have the nerve to ask us back?
so that you can create Akritas 2?

That wont be necessary VP, because the RoC has the support of the UN and the EU to deal with the "trnc" legally and much more effectively.!

[Get Real!]

Why do you cling onto those same agreements today? and even have the nerve to ask us back? so that you can create Akritas 2?

“Akritas 2” is already underway. The Turkish and Kurdish gypsies landing here should finish off any remnants of Ottoman remnants…

[CopperLine]

Get Real,
May be you know the answer to these related questions : did the Republic of Cyprus demand the termination of the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Did the Republic of Turkey renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the UK renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the Republic of Greece renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Why Copper should Cyprus demand the termination of the treaty, since anyway its provisions that are in conflict with the UN Charter, are by default been rendered invalid?

Kifeas
Unless an international treaty/agreement is time-limited i.e, it is specified in the terms of the agreement itself it is assumed and it is treated as if it continues to have force for an indeterminate period.

The T of Guarantee is not time limited. Unless expressly rejected by one or more of the parties then the terms of the T still obtain. (Hence my questions to Get Real). That some important conditions have changed since 1959 does not render the treaty void and, contrary to what Get Real wrote, just because the treaty has been broken - even dramatically so by one or more of its parties - does not 'automatically terminate' it. There are numerous agreements which are broken daily eg trade law, IP law, human rights law (!!!) which categorically does not 'terminate' its application.

Variations to a treaty/agreement (that is, how to vary the terms of a treaty) is usually now specified in the original treaty itself. However this practice only became common from the late 1960s onwards. The 1968 Vienna Convention codifies treaty law.

As Get Real says, Article 60 of that Convention is one of the pertinent Articles for this question, but he misreads it and thereby mistakes the conclusion. The Article's key word are "entitles .... to invoke...." It does not say 'automatically'. In other words a party to the treaty must actively invoke its termination or suspension. Hence, again, my question to Get Real : when did Greece, Turkey or UK invoke its/their entitlement to terminate or suspend the T of Guarantee ? Have any of the parties actually done this ?

And RoC which is not a party but is clearly affected by the T. - has it formally denounced the T of Guarantee ?

[Paphitis]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

Gunaydin Byron,

since you got your response from Piratis, I would now be very interested to see where you stand on the Cyprus Problem and what YOU deem to be a fair and viable solution.

[Byron]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

Gunaydin Byron,

since you got your response from Piratis, I would now be very interested to see where you stand on the Cyprus Problem and what YOU deem to be a fair and viable solution.

What is Gunayadin ?

[Paphitis]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

Gunaydin Byron,

since you got your response from Piratis, I would now be very interested to see where you stand on the Cyprus Problem and what YOU deem to be a fair and viable solution.

What is Gunayadin ?

It is a Turkish Greeting. I was being polite.

Someone who fought in the war would have known this.

Will you know enlighten us with your views?

[Byron]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

Gunaydin Byron,

since you got your response from Piratis, I would now be very interested to see where you stand on the Cyprus Problem and what YOU deem to be a fair and viable solution.

What is Gunayadin ?

It is a Turkish Greeting. I was being polite.

Someone who fought in the war would have known this.

Will you know enlighten us with your views?

You are not Turkish, so why greet me with that word. You were just being sarcastic.

[Paphitis]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

Gunaydin Byron,

since you got your response from Piratis, I would now be very interested to see where you stand on the Cyprus Problem and what YOU deem to be a fair and viable solution.

What is Gunayadin ?

It is a Turkish Greeting. I was being polite.

Someone who fought in the war would have known this.

Will you know enlighten us with your views?

You are not Turkish, so why greet me with that word. You were just being sarcastic.

I was not being sarcastic. You don't have to answer the question if you don't want to.