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[Byron]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

What constitutes a solution is simple and straightforward: freedom, democracy(=majority rule + minority rights) and human rights without racist discrimination. These are the principles of a true solution. The details could be various and could address in a correct way any justified concerns of the TC minority without violating the rights of anybody else.

What is not at all simple and straightforward is how will get to a solution.

This is because some foreigners have their own interests in Cyprus and they do not want to allow Cyprus to be free, and because the TC minority got used in the unfair gains that are promised to them by the invaders of Cyprus and they can not see themselves as just equal Cypriots without any unfair privileges.

Some could claim that an easy way to solve the problem is to just accept whatever the Turks demand. The result would be an even bigger problem for us, but for those people the label "solution" is what matters, and not the essence. For me, and I believe for the majority of Cypriots, the essence is what matters, and not labels such as "solution" and "unification".

I don't have any recipe for how exactly a solution can be achieved. What I know is what we should do in order not to make things even worst for ourselves. What we should do is to maintain our rights over the whole island, keep Turkey out of EU (in my opinion the sooner Turkey leaves the negotiations the better), actively support PKK, and strengthen our ties with Greece and other potential allies.

Turkey is a torn nation. Islamists VS Secularists and Turks VS Kurds. Many bad things can happen to Turkey and we should be prepared for them because in the not so distant future the balance of power can change (and by that I don't mean Cyprus vs Turkey one on one)

I read some of your previous posts as kindly directed by Oracle. In fact your above comment correspond.

You state :

"What constitutes a solution is simple and straightforward: freedom, democracy(=majority rule + minority rights) and human rights without racist discrimination. These are the principles of a true solution".

My interpretation of the above and your other posts is that you wish to return to the 1960 Constitution of Cyprus - Am I correct ?

[miltiades]

Piratis wrote:
""" What we should do is to maintain our rights over the whole island, keep Turkey out of EU (in my opinion the sooner Turkey leaves the negotiations the better), actively support PKK, and strengthen our ties with Greece and other potential allies. """

Are we to presume that keeping Turkey out of Europe would be beneficial to Cyprus , I was of the opinion that with Turkey in Europe the future generations of Cypriots would have a far better prospect of a conflict free Cyprus .
May I also ask if supporting the PKK would be also beneficial to Cyprus .
As far as strengthening our ties with Greece I thought they already were tight !!!

[miltiades]

Piratis wrote:
""" What we should do is to maintain our rights over the whole island, keep Turkey out of EU (in my opinion the sooner Turkey leaves the negotiations the better), actively support PKK, and strengthen our ties with Greece and other potential allies. """

Are we to presume that keeping Turkey out of Europe would be beneficial to Cyprus , I was of the opinion that with Turkey in Europe the future generations of Cypriots would have a far better prospect of a conflict free Cyprus .
May I also ask if supporting the PKK would be also beneficial to Cyprus .
As far as strengthening our ties with Greece I thought they already were tight !!!

[Byron]

Piratis wrote:
""" What we should do is to maintain our rights over the whole island, keep Turkey out of EU (in my opinion the sooner Turkey leaves the negotiations the better), actively support PKK, and strengthen our ties with Greece and other potential allies. """

Are we to presume that keeping Turkey out of Europe would be beneficial to Cyprus , I was of the opinion that with Turkey in Europe the future generations of Cypriots would have a far better prospect of a conflict free Cyprus .
May I also ask if supporting the PKK would be also beneficial to Cyprus .
As far as strengthening our ties with Greece I thought they already were tight !!!

Are you replying on behalf of Piratis ?

[Murataga]

You are responsible for contirbuting to the division of this island and signing an agreement you had not intention of honouring.

And why do you think we signed something for which we had no intention to honour? The only answer can be: Because we were forced.

We are the 80% majority of this island, and still instead of being allowed to decide ourselves in a peaceful and democratic way what we want for our own island, we were forced to sign something which some foreigners made, and which would serve the interests of those foreigners along with the interests of some small minority that helped them achieve their aim, and not the interests of the Cypriot people as a whole.

We are not bound by any "agreements" which are forced on us by foreigners against our human and democratic rights. We are only bound by what is right and just, which is nothing else than freedom, democracy and human rights.

So Mr Pirate,

What is your proposal for a solution to the Cyprus Problem? I woul be interested in reading it.

What constitutes a solution is simple and straightforward: freedom, democracy(=majority rule + minority rights) and human rights without racist discrimination. These are the principles of a true solution. The details could be various and could address in a correct way any justified concerns of the TC minority without violating the rights of anybody else.

What is not at all simple and straightforward is how will get to a solution.

This is because some foreigners have their own interests in Cyprus and they do not want to allow Cyprus to be free, and because the TC minority got used in the unfair gains that are promised to them by the invaders of Cyprus and they can not see themselves as just equal Cypriots without any unfair privileges.

Some could claim that an easy way to solve the problem is to just accept whatever the Turks demand. The result would be an even bigger problem for us, but for those people the label "solution" is what matters, and not the essence. For me, and I believe for the majority of Cypriots, the essence is what matters, and not labels such as "solution" and "unification".

I don't have any recipe for how exactly a solution can be achieved. What I know is what we should do in order not to make things even worst for ourselves. What we should do is to maintain our rights over the whole island, keep Turkey out of EU (in my opinion the sooner Turkey leaves the negotiations the better), actively support PKK, and strengthen our ties with Greece and other potential allies.

Turkey is a torn nation. Islamists VS Secularists and Turks VS Kurds. Many bad things can happen to Turkey and we should be prepared for them because in the not so distant future the balance of power can change (and by that I don't mean Cyprus vs Turkey one on one)

Turkey, like any other country, has her share of problems, no doubt about it. But how about Greece? Greece just suffered the largest civil clashes since 74 just because of police violence. People in Greece are fed up with police terror, unemployment and corruption (all three being among worst records in EU). And this is despite a relatively miniscule population comprised of essentially all ethnic-Greeks (little to no diversity whatsoever or any tolerence for it), all the perks and benefits of the EU, and essentially no conflict in any border countries to adversely effect their economy or security. Face it, these people are the fuck-ups of the EU (shortest, highest smoking rate, worst traffic, worst roads, among the poorest until countries like Bulgaria got in, etc. etc.) and contribute essentially nothing to the EU. The only reason they ever got in was because the EU needed the last country in Balkans from falling into the arms of communism and the pitty some Greek politicians were able to collect for getting whooped in `74 by you-know-who. And you guys down there in the South are about to be woken up from the spoils of your theft from the TCs of this island for the past half-century. You have been living the lie of being a nation of this island. You`ve been rewarded for your crimes rather than being punished for them. Unfortunately, your leaders said one thing to the world and another to you; unfortunately, the world said one thing to you and treated you as another; but let me tell you like it is straight up: you are ONE of the TWO COMMUNITIES of this island and not its NATION. Your days as its nation are coming to an end whether you like it or not. Any solution will be comprised of the power-sharing of the two COMMUNITIES with political equality, which is vastly different from that of a majority-minority relationship that you have been made to believe in. For better or worse any and all solutions on this island will encompass this and bi-zonality, and that is the day when you will know for a fact that you have been living a lie.

[Kifeas]

Murataga, I won’t waste my time commenting on your distorted and nihilistic views about Greece. I will only concentrate on the last 4-5 lines of your post, and ask you on what do you think our leaders and the world lied on us.

As for the rest of your comments, I can assure you we are well aware that we are not alone the Cypriot people (nation since 1960,) but instead we are “only” the 82% of it! It is not us that dispute the fact that Cyprus is one people made up of two (or more) communities, but it’s your leadership that disputes it, and lies to you by telling you that you are a separate nation, the TC "nation" or 'people" so to say. I think you must be suffering from a very acute case of amnesia, to have made the claims you did above, when it was only a couple of days ago that your leadership has made exactly the opposite remarks from what you accuse us to have been made to believe.

As for us been made to believe that the relationship between GCs and TCs is not also one of minority and majority, well it is not us that believe it but the science of mathematics that makes it so, since the 82% of a total is a numerical majority by default and definition. Let me ask you though, what is your problem with the minority-majority relationship? Is the word minority, a dirty one? Are the Kurds in Turkey a dirty or a cursed people, being the minority among the total of the Turkish citizens? No, they are not! What makes them a cursed people, is the attitude of the Kemalist nationalist ruling elites, whom you salute and who refuse them the right, not just of any sort of political equality that we have accepted you will have, but also the right to speak their own language and identify themselves based on their Kurdish ethnic origin, i.e. things we have never refused you should fully enjoy.

Murat, when you as a Turk and a Kemalist, live in a glass made house, it is no good throwing stones outside, for the first thing you will smash is your own house!

[Get Real!]

And you guys down there in the South are about to be woken up from the spoils of your theft from the TCs of this island for the past half-century. You have been living the lie of being a nation of this island. You`ve been rewarded for your crimes rather than being punished for them. Unfortunately, your leaders said one thing to the world and another to you; unfortunately, the world said one thing to you and treated you as another; but let me tell you like it is straight up: you are ONE of the TWO COMMUNITIES of this island and not its NATION. Your days as its nation are coming to an end whether you like it or not. Any solution will be comprised of the power-sharing of the two COMMUNITIES with political equality, which is vastly different from that of a majority-minority relationship that you have been made to believe in. For better or worse any and all solutions on this island will encompass this and bi-zonality, and that is the day when you will know for a fact that you have been living a lie.

Not only is your overall view that of a clueless nincompoop but...

You’re getting your hopes up high for an undemocratic political arrangement whereby a miniscule and most unproductive population of 120,000 odd TCs will have 4 votes to 1 to “match” the GCs but it’s not going to happen because no matter what Christofias, or any other future RoC president may tell you, the GCs will NEVER approve of anything like that.

The status quo is actually more beneficial for the GCs than a BBF or a BBC because they don’t have to pay for you to survive your bankruptcy but just watch you drop dead!

Bye-bye!

[doesntmatter]

HE MATTERS NIL , Because he is a foreigner wrote the following rubbish "

You have single handely proven that the recognition of the "RoC" and it's EU "membership" are all illegal. Personally I like to thank you in the name of all TCs, the TRNC and Turkey and make sure that you understand we will use this information you have given us in the best possible way and ensure that you personally get all the credit for it.

Your signature has done you proud GR, well done.

"foreigner"? does that mean that you are not from Cyprus?

BTW, if GR insists that the treaty is null and void than what I wrote above is not rubbish, it just hurts you to see the truth.

The truth is , as per " AFRICA " that Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots and since you obviously are not a Cypriot then that makes you a foreigner .
Take note of the fact that Turkey is in Cyprus as an occupying power , it does occupy the Northern part of Cyprus and all T/Cs who are at Turkey's mercy.

ps. Just in case you are not aware , the UN , the EU , the USA , and ALL other international entities as well as 50 thousand T/C Holders of the Cypriot ID DO RECOGNISE the ROC !!!

You need to complain about your GP to the Medical Board mate cause whatever meds he put you on certainly hasn't done you any good, maybe he hates you.

Since when is a Turkish Cypriot a "foreigner" you nincompoop?

Are you sure you are not running a temperature or downed one or two too many or something?

[CopperLine]

Get Real,
May be you know the answer to these related questions : did the Republic of Cyprus demand the termination of the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Did the Republic of Turkey renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the UK renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the Republic of Greece renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

[Kifeas]

Get Real,
May be you know the answer to these related questions : did the Republic of Cyprus demand the termination of the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Did the Republic of Turkey renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the UK renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ? Did the Republic of Greece renounce the Treaty of Guarantee ? If so, when and how ?

Why Copper should Cyprus demand the termination of the treaty, since anyway its provisions that are in conflict with the UN Charter, are by default been rendered invalid?