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[Oracle]

Paphitis,

Your words as a Cypriot mean a lot to me....

Only problem is he's not a Cypriot man.

You are out of order, GR!

[Get Real!]

Paphitis,

Your words as a Cypriot mean a lot to me....

Only problem is he's not a Cypriot man.

You are out of order, GR!

He's not, he just married a Cypriot girl.

[Oracle]

Paphitis,

Your words as a Cypriot mean a lot to me....

Only problem is he's not a Cypriot man.

You are out of order, GR!

He's not, he just married a Cypriot girl.

So how did marrying a Cypriot girl nullify his personal Cypriot credentials?

Both his parents are from Cyprus, he has a Cypriot passport, property on Cyprus, would fight for Cyprus. What more commitment could you ask for?

(Don't bring up the Hellenic preferences again, because if e.g. France offered you the same level of allegiance as Greece does to Cyprus, you would become a Francophile and it would not make you any less Cypriot!)

[Get Real!]

Paphitis,

Your words as a Cypriot mean a lot to me....

Only problem is he's not a Cypriot man.

You are out of order, GR!

He's not, he just married a Cypriot girl.

So how did marrying a Cypriot girl nullify his personal Cypriot credentials?

Both his parents are from Cyprus, he has a Cypriot passport, property on Cyprus, would fight for Cyprus. What more commitment could you ask for?

(Don't bring up the Hellenic preferences again, because if e.g. France offered you the same level of allegiance as Greece does to Cyprus, you would become a Francophile and it would not make you any less Cypriot!)

Look, I can't be bothered discussing him any further, he's no Cypriot and he doesn't fool me, go sort it out with him. (with a palm-full of salt )

[Jerry]

I always wondered when the Apostolides won a judgement against the Orams in Nicosia courts, that they simply did not put a lean on the property owned by the Orams in the UK, which they would have been in line to be paid off when the house was eventually sold off or needed refinancing, but instead they took a more difficult path to get the Orams to sell their house in order to collect the money, which the UK courts rejected with the help of Mrs. Blair. Subsequently, the Orams sold their UK home and hid the money like criminals on the run. So why didn't the Apostolides just put a lean on the property in the UK that belonged to the Orams. Well, giving this weeks results, perhaps they were not after the money from the Orams after all, but to get a landmark ruling from the EU that will benefit all the GC's who properties has been sold off to others. In the end, that's what they have done which will benefit all the GC's with property in the north, than just getting money for themselves. I believe lawyers for the Apostolides were pretty sure they will get such a ruling and they went for it.

I think this changes the dynamics of the negotiations right now, specially when it comes to the property issues. Talat was making a lot of suggestions like compensating most and returning property to some, claiming that the GC properties has changed too many hands, therefore it would be impossible to return the properties back to their original owners . Well, this ruling in effect tells Talat, it does not matter how many times the property changed hands, the person who last bought the property is the one is going to have to pay the original legal owners by returning the property back. Then the last person can go after the person who sold them the illegal property and down the line to the person which the land was given to by the "trnc". Ultimately, it will be the "trnc" that will be left holding the bag and it is non of the concerns of the original legal deed owners business how many times his property changed hands, because he was not part of it. So, I can see Christofias telling Talat, "look here comrade Mehmet; it is not in my hands anymore to work something out with you on their property issues as to how many you are willing to give back, because the EU will say, all the property will need to be given back, because each GC owner will be able to sue the illegal owners of their properties once a settlement is reached, or even if there is a agreed partition and the north becomes part of the EU, the same will happen." This is really going to put Talat in a corner that he won't have any arguments for. I see the Human Rights noose tightening little by little around the "trnc's" and Turkey's neck concerning the GC's properties in the north..

I think you mean a "Lien" Kikapu, although I think a Charging Order would be more applicable. I don't think Apostolides could do that without succeding with the enforcement action in England first, something which he failed to do. What amazes me about cow Blair is that is that she is supposed to be a Human Rights lawyer, she can't have any principles otherwise she would never have taken on the case. I actually spoke to an English High Court Judge about this at a social event at the time and asked him about cow Blair, he would not say too much but it was quite clear he was disgusted with her by his attitude.

[Oracle]

Paphitis,

Your words as a Cypriot mean a lot to me....

Only problem is he's not a Cypriot man.

You are out of order, GR!

He's not, he just married a Cypriot girl.

So how did marrying a Cypriot girl nullify his personal Cypriot credentials?

Both his parents are from Cyprus, he has a Cypriot passport, property on Cyprus, would fight for Cyprus. What more commitment could you ask for?

(Don't bring up the Hellenic preferences again, because if e.g. France offered you the same level of allegiance as Greece does to Cyprus, you would become a Francophile and it would not make you any less Cypriot!)

Look, I can't be bothered discussing him any further, he's no Cypriot and he doesn't fool me, go sort it out with him. (with a palm-full of salt )

Well obviously I've missed some Cypriot ritual for decision making

But it's not specifically related to Paphitis, but your general dismissive principles, on what constitutes a Cypriot, that are annoying!

Perhaps you need a dose of something ....

[Kifeas]

those wanting to read the full text of the AG of the ECJ, here is the link

http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/f ... resmax=100

hit the top left link where it is written "C-420/07"

[Viewpoint]

What will happen if they have no property other than in the TRNC?

There are other ways of enforcing judgements, freezing banks accounts or attaching to income for instance.

There money is in the TRNC banks.

And many Brits still receive income/pensions from the UK. They may have current accounts in "trnc" but I doubt if too many would trust large sums in you bankrupt system.

Youd be surprised, with YTL interest rates of 22% who needs a UK pension.

22% huh?

Those mortgages must be getting pretty difficult to pay up

We dont have mortgages in the TRNC.

[Viewpoint]

What will happen if they have no property other than in the TRNC?

There are other ways of enforcing judgements, freezing banks accounts or attaching to income for instance.

There money is in the TRNC banks.

And many Brits still receive income/pensions from the UK. They may have current accounts in "trnc" but I doubt if too many would trust large sums in you bankrupt system.

Youd be surprised, with YTL interest rates of 22% who needs a UK pension.

Well to quote your good self, high reward high risk. Any economy that is paying 22% must be dodgy, do you have a guarantee system that works?

We do that 14 banks have closed and all the deposits have been paid in full.

[Viewpoint]

What will happen if they have no property other than in the TRNC?

There are other ways of enforcing judgements, freezing banks accounts or attaching to income for instance.

There money is in the TRNC banks.

And many Brits still receive income/pensions from the UK. They may have current accounts in "trnc" but I doubt if too many would trust large sums in you bankrupt system.

Youd be surprised, with YTL interest rates of 22% who needs a UK pension.

22% huh?

Those mortgages must be getting pretty difficult to pay up

22% !!! That's not a rate of return. That's a warning.

People in the TRNC including Brits are making money and living quite comfortably.