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[utu]

After reading other items on other threads, plus having read observations regarding flags on the ATCA forum, I thought that I'd start this thread off...

The Constitution of 1960 gives both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot peoples certain rights. Amongst those are the rights to celebrate the national holidays of their respective 'mother countries', and to display freely the Greek and Turkish flags, along with the Cypriot one.

Now, the photos of President Papadopoulos' casket showing both the RoCy and Greek flag has been picked up by TC's as 'proof' of 'Papadopoulos' supreme loyalty' (ie: Greece), yet according to the constitution, those flags are really nothing forbidden under the constitution.

Oracle had commented that she doesn't want to see any Turkish flag flying in Cyprus, despite the constitutional right of Turkish Cypriots to do so (though I do wonder if any Turkish Cypriots living south of the Green Line actually do...). Her pic of a blue-yellow-white flag with Hellenic trappings shows her loyalties to be heavilly favored towards Greece.

GR had alluded to a view that both the Greek flag and Turkish flag NOT be constitutionally protected and that only the flag of Cyprus should be, as he believes in neither Athens or Ankara having ANY influence in what is - after all - an independent country (good point).

How should Cyprus approach things in regards to the symbols of Greece and Turkey? Should the constitution of 1960 be ammended?

[Byron]

After reading other items on other threads, plus having read observations regarding flags on the ATCA forum, I thought that I'd start this thread off...

The Constitution of 1960 gives both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot peoples certain rights. Amongst those are the rights to celebrate the national holidays of their respective 'mother countries', and to display freely the Greek and Turkish flags, along with the Cypriot one.

Now, the photos of President Papadopoulos' casket showing both the RoCy and Greek flag has been picked up by TC's as 'proof' of 'Papadopoulos' supreme loyalty' (ie: Greece), yet according to the constitution, those flags are really nothing forbidden under the constitution.

Oracle had commented that she doesn't want to see any Turkish flag flying in Cyprus, despite the constitutional right of Turkish Cypriots to do so (though I do wonder if any Turkish Cypriots living south of the Green Line actually do...). Her pic of a blue-yellow-white flag with Hellenic trappings shows her loyalties to be heavilly favored towards Greece.

GR had alluded to a view that both the Greek flag and Turkish flag NOT be constitutionally protected and that only the flag of Cyprus should be, as he believes in neither Athens or Ankara having ANY influence in what is - after all - an independent country (good point).

How should Cyprus approach things in regards to the symbols of Greece and Turkey? Should the constitution of 1960 be ammended?

There is nothing to approach. It is well explained in the ROC constitution. The GREEK flag represents the GREEK Community, whilst the TURKISH flag represents the TURKISH Community. The Constitution does not define what is a CYPRIOT hence the practical term GREEK CYPRIOT to denote someone from the GREEK Community and TURKISH Cypriot from the TURKISH Community.

Cypriots either belong to either a GREEK, TURKISH or some other minority community. THE CONSTITUTION IS QUITE CLEAR IN LEGAL TERMS !

[Oracle]

Oracle had commented that she doesn't want to see any Turkish flag flying in Cyprus, despite the constitutional right of Turkish Cypriots to do so (though I do wonder if any Turkish Cypriots living south of the Green Line actually do...). Her pic of a blue-yellow-white flag with Hellenic trappings shows her loyalties to be heavilly favored towards Greece.

Why should we be reminded of the presence of the ENEMY, because that is ALL the Turkish flag represents, and nothing more ... for the Cypriots.

But the flag I have resurrected, was the one used for the up-rising against the Ottoman-Turks in 1821, to regain freedom, a task clearly not yet complete in Cyprus, hence still valid.

Since it also has a yellow stripe, and olive branches, I think it even more suitable ...

[EricSeans]

We have to accept the reality that since 1963-64 and especially since 1974 the constitution has pretty much only represented the GC community. Perhaps we're wasting our time looking at a constitution rejected by the TC community and should concentrate on what may emerge from or should influence the current reunification talks.

After reading other items on other threads, plus having read observations regarding flags on the ATCA forum, I thought that I'd start this thread off...

The Constitution of 1960 gives both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot peoples certain rights. Amongst those are the rights to celebrate the national holidays of their respective 'mother countries', and to display freely the Greek and Turkish flags, along with the Cypriot one.

Now, the photos of President Papadopoulos' casket showing both the RoCy and Greek flag has been picked up by TC's as 'proof' of 'Papadopoulos' supreme loyalty' (ie: Greece), yet according to the constitution, those flags are really nothing forbidden under the constitution.

Oracle had commented that she doesn't want to see any Turkish flag flying in Cyprus, despite the constitutional right of Turkish Cypriots to do so (though I do wonder if any Turkish Cypriots living south of the Green Line actually do...). Her pic of a blue-yellow-white flag with Hellenic trappings shows her loyalties to be heavilly favored towards Greece.

GR had alluded to a view that both the Greek flag and Turkish flag NOT be constitutionally protected and that only the flag of Cyprus should be, as he believes in neither Athens or Ankara having ANY influence in what is - after all - an independent country (good point).

How should Cyprus approach things in regards to the symbols of Greece and Turkey? Should the constitution of 1960 be ammended?

There is nothing to approach. It is well explained in the ROC constitution. The GREEK flag represents the GREEK Community, whilst the TURKISH flag represents the TURKISH Community. The Constitution does not define what is a CYPRIOT hence the practical term GREEK CYPRIOT to denote someone from the GREEK Community and TURKISH Cypriot from the TURKISH Community.

Cypriots either belong to either a GREEK, TURKISH or some other minority community. THE CONSTITUTION IS QUITE CLEAR IN LEGAL TERMS !

[DT.]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

[Byron]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

[Get Real!]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!

[Byron]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!

I presume after your outburst you wish for a new constitution, one with just Cypriots running it ? Unfortunately we cannot agree who is a cypriot so we have a problem to start with !

[Get Real!]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!

I presume after your outburst you wish for a new constitution, one with just Cypriots running it ? Unfortunately we cannot agree who is a cypriot so we have a problem to start with !

On the contrary, it is VERY clear what constitutes a “Cypriot” just as it is very clear what constitutes a Britton or an American…

He who raises his right hand and swears allegiance to Cyprus and nobody else and honors their oath is a Cypriot, and anyone who cannot bring themselves round to take and honor such an oath is an imposter.

Short, sweet, and simple…

[CBBB]

People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!

I presume after your outburst you wish for a new constitution, one with just Cypriots running it ? Unfortunately we cannot agree who is a cypriot so we have a problem to start with !

On the contrary, it is VERY clear what constitutes a “Cypriot” just as it is very clear what constitutes a Britton or an American…

He who raises his right hand and swears allegiance to Cyprus and nobody else and honors their oath is a Cypriot, and anyone who cannot bring themselves round to take and honor such an oath is an imposter.

Short, sweet, and simple…

GR! you are talking sense at last, I second the motion.