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Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:25 pm

DT. wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.


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The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..


Paphiti, those idiots performed a coup against the Republic of Cyprus, not against the Greek Cypriots.


Thanks for that valuable piece of information! I did not realise. :?

I said it was a purely GC affair. I do not deny that it was against the Republic of Cyprus Government.

I did state the following:

The Greek Generals were given certain guarantees by the CIA that Turkey would not inytervene in Cyprus should they conduct a Coup and depose the Makarios Government.


Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.


If it wasn't for enosis re Paphiti then what was it for? Why do you think we fought against these coupists?


Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


Enjoy your Tango with the Turks.

Sometimes I can not help but think you people deserve what you get. :?
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Postby halil » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:40 pm

DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


DT ,
in your eyes you have stopped the coup ..... I don't think so my friend ...

I don't know how old you were at that time but imagine when they were hearing what Sampson was saying from CyBc Radio .... That was justice by Tc's ..... Tc's ,We were always in fears before 1974 DT ..... Always actions takes by the peoples feelings and demands . There was no trust between 2 sides DT .... We must be honest ... otherwise just playing with us with nice words and saying .... Imagine morals of the Tc's at those times .... Because i lived all through those times as a TC .... of course by feeling of those thoughts i would think different . this is very nature my friend .
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Postby Byron » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:48 pm

DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


Who are us ? Please kindly clarify?
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Postby iceman » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:50 pm

halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


DT ,
in your eyes you have stopped the coup ..... I don't think so my friend ...

I don't know how old you were at that time but imagine when they were hearing what Sampson was saying from CyBc Radio .... That was justice by Tc's ..... Tc's ,We were always in fears before 1974 DT ..... Always actions takes by the peoples feelings and demands . There was no trust between 2 sides DT .... We must be honest ... otherwise just playing with us with nice words and saying .... Imagine morals of the Tc's at those times .... Because i lived all through those times as a TC .... of course by feeling of those thoughts i would think different . this is very nature my friend .



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One question for you and i want your honest answer.

Do you think Turkey came in 1974 to save the TC's or look after her own interests in the long run?
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Postby Byron » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:52 pm

miltiades wrote:A ...Britton surely is someone Britttish !!


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Postby DT. » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:55 pm

Byron wrote:
DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


Who are us ? Please kindly clarify?


Get educated on the Cyprus constitution with my response to you on another post and you'll be asking less and less of these basic questions.
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Postby Byron » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:57 pm

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DT. wrote:People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.



The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!


Only one problem with your post.

Greece has no "rights" within the Cypriot constitution, nor does it claim any rights. The only thing Greece is trying to do is support the RoC politically, and by now you should realise that Greece is your only dependable ally. They were responsible for getting Cyprus into the EU, and without this major victory against all odds, Cyprus would still be in the wilderness and with no bargaining power at all.


Greece is also responsible for getting Cyprus into the shit it is in at the moment..


Is that because there is no water to drain the SHIT !! :twisted:
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Postby Byron » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:59 pm

DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


Who are us ? Please kindly clarify?


Get educated on the Cyprus constitution with my response to you on another post and you'll be asking less and less of these basic questions.


I am educated enough to read your rubbish thank you very much.
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Postby DT. » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:03 pm

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DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


DT ,
in your eyes you have stopped the coup ..... I don't think so my friend ...

I don't know how old you were at that time but imagine when they were hearing what Sampson was saying from CyBc Radio .... That was justice by Tc's ..... Tc's ,We were always in fears before 1974 DT ..... Always actions takes by the peoples feelings and demands . There was no trust between 2 sides DT .... We must be honest ... otherwise just playing with us with nice words and saying .... Imagine morals of the Tc's at those times .... Because i lived all through those times as a TC .... of course by feeling of those thoughts i would think different . this is very nature my friend .


Halil, you're a bunch of schizophrenics. On the one hand you tell us that most of the GC's killed in 74 were against the coup and nearly none by the flower shooting guns of your mehmetchik, on the other hand you make out that we didn't fight the coupists and didn;t overthrow them. Halil you may remember a lot of those times, but I also remember those striking words you told me, that you had never met a GC before the green line crossings opened in the last few years. To me this doesn't fill me with confidence that you were fully aware of the struggles the GC's were going through in those days.

The previous generation fought against the coupists to retain our republic, the talks with Denktash and CLerides on the reinstatement of the TC's in the govt were going well at the time....Turkey had other plans.

WHY did Turkey launch a 2nd invasion in August when Clerides was President as per the constitution (Speaker of the House takes over in the absence of the President)?
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Postby halil » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:03 pm

iceman wrote:
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DT. wrote:Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.


DT ,
in your eyes you have stopped the coup ..... I don't think so my friend ...

I don't know how old you were at that time but imagine when they were hearing what Sampson was saying from CyBc Radio .... That was justice by Tc's ..... Tc's ,We were always in fears before 1974 DT ..... Always actions takes by the peoples feelings and demands . There was no trust between 2 sides DT .... We must be honest ... otherwise just playing with us with nice words and saying .... Imagine morals of the Tc's at those times .... Because i lived all through those times as a TC .... of course by feeling of those thoughts i would think different . this is very nature my friend .



Halil
One question for you and i want your honest answer.

Do you think Turkey came in 1974 to save the TC's or look after her own interests in the long run?


I can say both of them Iceman .


Without TC's support nothing can be happen there was a great support from our community and demands ......

i remember these kind of the posters around in our villages ......


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