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People should fly any flag they wish alongside the Cypriot one. This is a democracy. Govt buildings should only fly the Cypriot and EU flag which is what they currently do anyway.

The Cypriot flag represents the political institutions of the ROC but representation of the seperate communities is reflected by the addition of the motherland countries. This is what the constitution says. If you wish to make proposals to change existing law then a new constitution is required.

Much of the RoC constitution has been rendered invalid by the actions of most of the parties concerned…

1. Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus.
2. Turkey invaded and occupied a portion of Cyprus.
3. Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.
4. The Turkish Cypriots rejected the whole constitution, abandoned it, and formed an illegal breakaway state on Turkish occupied Cypriot territory.

In fact, the only party to have stuck by the constitution is the Greek Cypriot community while the rest failed miserably. On the basis of all the above I’d like to see any of the above four offenders attempt to take advantage of their “rights” in the RoC while keeping a straight face!

Only one problem with your post.

Greece has no "rights" within the Cypriot constitution, nor does it claim any rights. The only thing Greece is trying to do is support the RoC politically, and by now you should realise that Greece is your only dependable ally. They were responsible for getting Cyprus into the EU, and without this major victory against all odds, Cyprus would still be in the wilderness and with no bargaining power at all.

Greece is also responsible for getting Cyprus into the shit it is in at the moment..

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

It is however a most convenient excuse used by many Neo Partitionists and Turkey to justify their intervention and continued occupation of Cyprus.

Greece was under the influence of a brutal dictatorship, which was fully supported by Washington. Greece was coerced or tricked into initiating this Coup by Kissinger himself, in order to facilitate Turkey's pre-planned invasion of Cyprus.

How the hell did Turkey manage to gather the logistics to stage such a massive invasion without preparing for many more months beforehand?

The country that is solely responsible for this mess is Turkey. It is Turkey that continues to occupy our ethnically cleansed occupied territory.

Re Paphitis,

When you have a next door neighbour such as Turkey, why the bloody hell would you give them an excuse to take action?

I won't bring up the popular theory of the Greece-Turkey collusion in the 1974 situation, wirh Turkey taking it further than planned.

Unfortunately Maggie Thatcher was not Prime Minister at the time, because I think the situation may have been slightly different (discuss).

[iceman]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

[Paphitis]

Re Paphitis,

When you have a next door neighbour such as Turkey, why the bloody hell would you give them an excuse to take action?

The Greek Generals were given certain guarantees by the CIA that Turkey would not inytervene in Cyprus should they conduct a Coup and depose the Makarios Government.

Ioannidis wanted rapid action on Cyprus. He decided on a coup in which Archbishop Makarios would be assassinated and replaced by journalist Nikos Sampson, who would proclaim the υηίon of Cyprus with Greece. The US knew about the plan, Ioannides had made ίt clear To his CIA contacts, but for his own purposes Henry Kissinger wanted nothing done To prevent it, so he received a very mild half-warning not to go ahead, and a wink. Makarios escaped, but this gave the Turks the pretext to invade the island Kissinger was looking for, to carve out the north for themselves and appropriate twenty-five per cent of the island.

http://www.anagnosis.gr/index.php?la=eng&pageID=226

[DT.]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

Paphiti, those idiots performed a coup against the Republic of Cyprus, not against the Greek Cypriots.

[Paphitis]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

That is not what I said. Nor am I trying to excuse the Greek Coup.

I am just pointing out that the Greek Coup was not engineered for the purposes of ENOSIS or to eradicate the TCs from the island, as many Neo Partitionists would want us to believe so that they can legitimise the occupation.

I do not deny the fact that TCs have rights defined by the RoC constitution. The Neo Partitionists however, can bugger off to Turkey. I was going to say that the Coup was also a crime against TC democratic representation, until I remembered that the TC politicians withdrew from The Cyprus Government in 1963, in order to facilitate TAKSIM.

http://www.anagnosis.gr/index.php?la=eng&pageID=226

[Paphitis]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

Paphiti, those idiots performed a coup against the Republic of Cyprus, not against the Greek Cypriots.

Thanks for that valuable piece of information! I did not realise.

I said it was a purely GC affair. I do not deny that it was against the Republic of Cyprus Government.

I did state the following:

The Greek Generals were given certain guarantees by the CIA that Turkey would not inytervene in Cyprus should they conduct a Coup and depose the Makarios Government.

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

[DT.]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

Paphiti, those idiots performed a coup against the Republic of Cyprus, not against the Greek Cypriots.

Thanks for that valuable piece of information! I did not realise.

I said it was a purely GC affair. I do not deny that it was against the Republic of Cyprus Government.

I did state the following:

The Greek Generals were given certain guarantees by the CIA that Turkey would not inytervene in Cyprus should they conduct a Coup and depose the Makarios Government.

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

If it wasn't for enosis re Paphiti then what was it for? Why do you think we fought against these coupists?

[halil]

ok..... today there was a interesting interview by Sevgül Uludağ at Yenidüzen .... (it is not available at on line version )

It says : Makarios'un Darbeyi durduracak Gücü Vardı ..... Makarios had a power to stop coup .

This words are from GC man called Dimitris Kozakos (from KARAVAS)

he says before the coup night he was attending a wedding in Kyreania .
He has seen lots of youn Greek Boys from Greece .It was very strange for him to see lots of Greeks from Greece . (it was unusual) .He tought , may be it was they are off day , because it was sunday he says .

He also remembers he had a chat with a Greek officer at night of 14 july .
At 21:00 pm . he said to officer something might happen tomorrow .

he said YES to him .

In those days Tombozas was head of the KIP and he was warn the Makarios that coup will happen but Makarios never beileved him .
I would like to say in those days it was our big mistake by knowing that there will be coup in these days .... ıt would be possible to stop it .

I belive that Makarios had a power stop the coup .


S:uludağ asked him .....How he could stop the coup ....?

He could get 25000 people at Metaksa square monday morning .... nothing happened .....no one moved ....only at CyBc and Presential palace there was a few persons that they were clushed .
He should take whole the people in the streets it was the only one way to stop the coup .....Because he was the president of the ROC .This is their fault ....for example he could bring 1000 policemen to Nicosia . Because when coup happene tanks moved slowly slowly to roads .....they have gone to presentiai palace and CyBc .No one stoped them ....Almost everybody was saluting them ..... this is the problem .....after 34 years these peoples aren't they thinking this .....

rest of the interview will come from writer writing .....

I will try to translate rest of it as well ......

[DT.]

Halil, the coup was overthrown by us after the 1st invasion. It didn't matter, Turkey still took 37% of our land when CLerides was President during the 2nd invasion. The coup was over by then.

Even if Makarios stopped the coup Turkey would have still invaded, They proved this.

BTW well done for using your own words, its the only way you'll improve your english.

[Paphitis]

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

Paphiti
The main problem lies here...You seem to have convinced yourselves that Cyprus government = Greek Cypriots and any action (coup in this case) against Cyprus Government should be considered done against the Greek Cypriot community..
What about the Turkish Cypriots and their rights in the Cypriot Government?Or did the coupists make a special arrangement not to harm the rights of TC's after they took over?
Stop ignoring the presence of Turkish Cypriot community and their rights in the ROC..

Paphiti, those idiots performed a coup against the Republic of Cyprus, not against the Greek Cypriots.

Thanks for that valuable piece of information! I did not realise.

I said it was a purely GC affair. I do not deny that it was against the Republic of Cyprus Government.

I did state the following:

The Greek Generals were given certain guarantees by the CIA that Turkey would not inytervene in Cyprus should they conduct a Coup and depose the Makarios Government.

Greece initiated a Coup against The Cyprus Government. This matter was purely an internal GC affair and did not involve or endanger the TC community.

If it wasn't for enosis re Paphiti then what was it for? Why do you think we fought against these coupists?

I would have thought that we fought these coupists to restore the legitimate Government and democracy.

From what I am told, by persons who were present at that "famous ham radio station", was that the Coup was mainly engineered to stamp out and depose the Makarios Government, who was developing leftist leanings and converging towards the Soviet Union.

Cypriot Coupists (EOKA B), may have had other ideas, which included the nationalistic dream of ENOSIS.

Bottom line is, I don't really care. Let me make it abundantly clear that I do not support or intend to justify the actions of the Greek Coupists or EOKA B. I have family that did play a crucial role against the Coupists and I am very proud of this fact.

What I do care about is how some people are using this event to demonise Greece or to legitimise the invasion.