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[utu]

I just realized i live on the moon..

I'm convinced... how much do you want for it?

Don't think there's much Green Cheese tough...

[free_cyprus]

the zurich agreement was the biggest international laughing stock in history and in my eyes remains the same till this day unless we rip up the zurich agreement and start all over again

[BirKibrisli]

the zurich agreement was the biggest international laughing stock in history and in my eyes remains the same till this day unless we rip up the zurich agreement and start all over again

You seem to have forgotten that we did rip up the Zurich agreement back in 1963 and tried to do our own thing(s)...And see where that got us...Given our past we will never agree on anything,except perhaps that we cannot agree on anything..We have an agreement,albeit imperfect,which made us an independent country,one people and one nation...We should wake up and realise that is as good as it will get...The alternative is the status quo or unagreed partition...the choice is ours...

[Kikapu]

Tim ,
I hope you can find the answer why they changed and why they feel to change their ideas ?
question yourself about AP and promises of the EU and others .
on your next trip to north try to talk with people what they felt after the referendum and asked them what they are feeling about next coming one.
properly it will be in autumn and let us to know . by judging old articles or sayings are nothing now . It is in past . Important what they are planning or what they are thinking now .

Halil, dostum, I am pretty sure in my own mind why they have changed, and it is not for the reasons you have stated.

There is a puppet regime in the north of Cyprus directly controlled by Turkey. The European Court of Human Rights recognises the situation as such and holds Turkey directly responsible for human rights abuses in that part of the island. When you consider that Turkey directly bankrolls the administration in the north to keep it afloat - you yourself were trumpeting a fresh loan granted by Turkey in another recent thread - it is not hard to understand the degree of leverage that Turkey has over that administration and those that hold office in it.

The simple truth is that there has been a shift in the balance of power in Turkey and, with it, a sharp change in Turkey's Cyprus policy. Talat, Soyer and other leading lights in the CTP have no choice but to eat their words and do as Turkey tells them.

Even so, it is astonishing to see the kind of things that Talat was saying only a few years ago. For example:

"Türkiye, bazı gericilerin anavatanı olabilir ve benim anavatanım değil." (19 December 1997-Kıbrıs Gazetesi)
[Turkey may be the motherland of certain backward people, but it is not my motherland]

"Türkiye'nin Kıbrıs'taki varlığı uluslararası hukuka aykırıdır." (19 September 2003-Vatan Gazetesi)
[Turkey's presence in Cyprus is contrary to international law.]

Tim,

All the quotes by the present TC leaders in the north from yesteryear's who took "shots" at Turkey were before the 2004 Annan Plan referendums, which once again feeds on my belief as to why Denktash was removed by Turkey, because by him being in a leadership position, he was never going to be trusted by the GC's to agree on the AP to vote YES, and Turkey needed a YES vote from the GC's. Talat and others made a showing that they were independent from Turkey and spoke about it, with Turkey's approval no doubt, but since the AP did not pass, it was time to stop playing charades. Now you see who these people really are, because there's no use pretending anymore and they are now trying to save their own asses before being replaced by other politicians chosen by Turkey once again to rule the north. That is the reason they are saying everything they can to praise Turkey in the hopes that they will get to stay around. But they always praised Turkey from the beginning in private, but they want to use the failed Annan Plan as an excuse as to why their position has changed, as Halil want us to believe.

[yialousa1971]

Oracle had commented that she doesn't want to see any Turkish flag flying in Cyprus, despite the constitutional right of Turkish Cypriots to do so (though I do wonder if any Turkish Cypriots living south of the Green Line actually do...). Her pic of a blue-yellow-white flag with Hellenic trappings shows her loyalties to be heavilly favored towards Greece.

Why should we be reminded of the presence of the ENEMY, because that is ALL the Turkish flag represents, and nothing more ... for the Cypriots.

But the flag I have resurrected, was the one used for the up-rising against the Ottoman-Turks in 1821, to regain freedom, a task clearly not yet complete in Cyprus, hence still valid.

Since it also has a yellow stripe, and olive branches, I think it even more suitable ...

Very nice flag but this would be my choice.

[denizaksulu]

....and the nightmare goes on.

[miltiades]

....and the nightmare goes on.

They are just bullshitting Deniz , they are bloody foreigners pretending to be Cypriots , just ignore them mate
For their benefit : O pappous mou o Chioukkas che o pro pappous mou o papa Spanos itan Kiprei me arhidia oi kalamaraes , pafites che Kiprei !!

[halil]

[miltiades]

:evil:

Halil , would you not agree that Cyprus is CYPRIOT !!!

[halil]

:evil:

Halil , would you not agree that Cyprus is CYPRIOT !!!

I do Miltiades .
there is a speacial message in this map Miltiades ...... try to figure out what i am trying to say . Have a look at the map again ....

Today i was very pleased when i walked in Arasta and ledra street .

how TC's and GC's were shopping and talking they are own languages freely in the streets .... you should hear how the kids were calling their mothers loud in their own languages .

There was a GC's music band was playing in BUYUK HAN and all the young boys and girls were around them signing together .

As you know from this week people are started doing their Christmas and Newyear shoppings .

Kebab shops , clothing shops were full up , also gold shops ....