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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:44 pm

CopperLine wrote:The resident forum thugs constantly claim that Turks/TCs don't know anything about human rights/ are ignorant of human rights/abuse human rights.

Someone tries to raise the consciousness of Turks/TCs regarding human rights through an 'exhibition'. You'd have thought that even the thugs would think this a good, positive thing. But no : the resident forum thugs jump on their heads for trying to do so and condemn them for trying to raise the human rights consciousness whose allegedly low-level was the cause of the thugs constant moaning.

The hypocrisy of thugs.


There is double hypocricy here,CooperLine...
These "thugs" do not realise how pathetic it is that they never give a thought to those TCs whose human rights have been violated,especially during 1963-74 period...My great Uncle was shot dead in his sick bed by some other thugs back in early 1964 in the Paphos village of Hulu...He couldn't escape because he was too old and sick,and thought his age would protect him...Those thugs ,who happened to be GCs,killed him because he refused to tell them where his money was hidden...Until our forum "thugs" find some moral backbone to spare a thought for the numan rights of the TCs,their protests will not be heard by anyone other than themselves... :evil:
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Postby halil » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:47 pm

here is the latest one from south Cyprus.

European Court orders Cyprus to release convict
By Elias Hazou

ANDREAS Kyprianou Panovic will walk free after spending seven years behind bars for the manslaughter of a 14-year-old British tourist, after the European Court of Human Rights acquitted him on the grounds that he did not get a fair trial in Cyprus.

In 2001, Panovic was sentenced to 14 years in jail for the killing of Graham Mills from Tring in Hertfordshire.

Mills was found battered to death on April 19, 2000 near the old Limassol port.

Panovic, a teenager at the time, was one of two suspects arrested by police. The other suspect, Christos Christodoulou, was the first to be held in custody, naming Panovic as his accomplice under questioning.

During his remand hearing before Limassol District Court, Christodoulou, who appeared without a lawyer, said: "I admitted the murder. We were drunk. We hit him, but when we left he was breathing. It was not premeditated."

Soon after the arrest, police picked up 17-year-old Andreas Panovic, alias Panouris.

Panovic was later summoned to the police station with his father, who was advised over the phone that the charges against his son were serious and that they should consider hiring a lawyer.

At the station, Panovic was led to a room for questioning, while his father waited outside in a corridor, despite being told he could be with his son.

A few minutes later, the CID officer came out of the room with Panovic’s confession.

The subsequent trial heard how the Panovic and Christodoulou were in a Limassol bar when they spotted the victim, whom they followed outside. Following a brief conversation with Mills, the two Cypriots assaulted him. Mills lost consciousness, at which time one or both of the attackers struck him in the head with a large stone. They then took whatever cash was on him and left him there.

The trial itself turned controversial when Panovic’s lawyer at the time was held in contempt of court and put behind bars for five days. The court found Panovic guilty of manslaughter and passed down a 14-year jail sentence.

Through his lawyers, Panovic appealed the decision claiming that he did not receive a fair trial. The appeal was rejected in Cyprus, and in 2004 Panovic took recourse with the ECHR.

On December 11 this year, the European court found that Panovic had been wrongly tried, acquitting him of the charges.

Although it is not automatic, local authorities are now expected to comply with the ruling and immediately release Panovic from the Central Prisons.

John Mylonas, one of the lawyers who filed the appeal on behalf of Panovic, told the Mail that the court’s decision was based on a technicality.

“It was a fine line, yes. The law is not mathematics,” he said.

He said the ECHR deemed that the circumstances under which police extracted the confession were “suspicious”. Simply advising a suspect he has the right to a lawyer was not sufficient, the court said.



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Postby DT. » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:54 pm

halil wrote:here is the latest one from south Cyprus.

European Court orders Cyprus to release convict
By Elias Hazou

ANDREAS Kyprianou Panovic will walk free after spending seven years behind bars for the manslaughter of a 14-year-old British tourist, after the European Court of Human Rights acquitted him on the grounds that he did not get a fair trial in Cyprus.

In 2001, Panovic was sentenced to 14 years in jail for the killing of Graham Mills from Tring in Hertfordshire.

Mills was found battered to death on April 19, 2000 near the old Limassol port.

Panovic, a teenager at the time, was one of two suspects arrested by police. The other suspect, Christos Christodoulou, was the first to be held in custody, naming Panovic as his accomplice under questioning.

During his remand hearing before Limassol District Court, Christodoulou, who appeared without a lawyer, said: "I admitted the murder. We were drunk. We hit him, but when we left he was breathing. It was not premeditated."

Soon after the arrest, police picked up 17-year-old Andreas Panovic, alias Panouris.

Panovic was later summoned to the police station with his father, who was advised over the phone that the charges against his son were serious and that they should consider hiring a lawyer.

At the station, Panovic was led to a room for questioning, while his father waited outside in a corridor, despite being told he could be with his son.

A few minutes later, the CID officer came out of the room with Panovic’s confession.

The subsequent trial heard how the Panovic and Christodoulou were in a Limassol bar when they spotted the victim, whom they followed outside. Following a brief conversation with Mills, the two Cypriots assaulted him. Mills lost consciousness, at which time one or both of the attackers struck him in the head with a large stone. They then took whatever cash was on him and left him there.

The trial itself turned controversial when Panovic’s lawyer at the time was held in contempt of court and put behind bars for five days. The court found Panovic guilty of manslaughter and passed down a 14-year jail sentence.

Through his lawyers, Panovic appealed the decision claiming that he did not receive a fair trial. The appeal was rejected in Cyprus, and in 2004 Panovic took recourse with the ECHR.

On December 11 this year, the European court found that Panovic had been wrongly tried, acquitting him of the charges.

Although it is not automatic, local authorities are now expected to comply with the ruling and immediately release Panovic from the Central Prisons.

John Mylonas, one of the lawyers who filed the appeal on behalf of Panovic, told the Mail that the court’s decision was based on a technicality.

“It was a fine line, yes. The law is not mathematics,” he said.

He said the ECHR deemed that the circumstances under which police extracted the confession were “suspicious”. Simply advising a suspect he has the right to a lawyer was not sufficient, the court said.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008


On the ruling from the ECHR Halil, the Cypriot court complied immediately. When will Turkey comply with the European Court of Human Rights with the judgements against it?
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:57 pm

John Mylonas, one of the lawyers who filed the appeal on behalf of Panovic, told the Mail that the court’s decision was based on a technicality.


This kind od stuff occurs in every legal nation.

At least the RoC's judicial system is legal and recognised , whereas the illegal "trnc" judiciary is in contravention of every international law, and does not have any right to pass judgement on a mosquito.

This thread needs to be moved to Cyprus Problem!
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:51 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:Thank you Deniz.

Your sources prove that the GCs are not in direct contravention of any Human Rights issues and all other concerns are directly related to the continuing occupation by Turkey and the division of our island causing ongoing maintenance problems.



'Direct or indirect contraventions'? Would you care to elucidate?


Yes ... I meant not to both of those and not just to one :D

Denizdodo wrote:Does the occupation of the north, any justification of continual 'Human Rights' violations indirectly?


Yes the Turkish occupation of the north is responsible for record numbers of Human Rights' violations and there is no justification. Good boy D. for broaching this.

Denizdada wrote:Lets just say that when the RoC puts its own house in order, then they can criticise the north with my blessing. .


But you showed that the RoC is fine (compare it to all the other EU countries listed in the link from halil) and improving the best it can considering the major obstacles to quick further progress, which are directly attributable to the presence of occupying Turks!



I am neither 'dead' or a 'wrestling general'. Save your abuse. :roll:
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Postby Nikephoros » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:24 am

Human rights generally do not exist much and never will in Mohammedian societies. The Turkish state and its Beylik in Northern Cyprus certainly hold this alien European notion in contempt.

The following article is revealing about the goals of Turkish selective modernization:

Ayse Kadioglu wrote:...

The theme that a patriotic Turk should try to achieve a balance between the benefits of the West and the East by opting for adopting the science and technology of the former and the spirituality of the latter is repeated quite often in the schooling system designed by the educational establishment in Turkey. This difficult endeavour is almost like a mission for every patriotic Turk. Hence, it is possible to argue that since the days of the early Westernization efforts. the Turkish psyche has been burdened with the difficult task of achieving a balance between the Western civilization and the Turkish culture.

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A preoccupation with this balance between modernity and tradition, Western materialism and Eastern spirituality as well as Civilization -- based on the premises of Enlightenment -- and Culture -- based on the premises of Romanticism -- is a recurring theme accompanying Turkish modernization. The desire to achieve such a balance is nowhere better expressed than in Ziya Gokalp's (1876-1924) works. Ziya Gokalp's ideas were wavering between the three trends of Islamism, Turkism, and Westernism, hence, reflecting the political climate of the context in which he was located. As Niyazi Berkes puts it: `He was fighting within himself the battle that intellectuals and politicians were raging on other levels'.(20)

...While on the one hand, there were those intellectuals and politicians who opted for a social reconstruction by way of reversion to Sriat (Islamic law), there were those who staunchly supported the idea of Westernization, on the other. In addition to these two groups, there were others who longed for the romantic ideal of the pre-Islamic Turkic unity. Ziya Gokalp was influenced by all of these trends. Yet, he envisaged a middle road in the tradition of Namik Kemal: `that only the material civilization of Europe should be taken and not its non-material aspects'.(21) Yet, contrary to Namik Kemal's thought, Ziya Gokalp did not think that the individual and his reason could be a criteria for social reconstruction. Ziya Gokalp rather signified a shift from Tanzimat rationalism inspired by the eighteenth century thinkers of the European Enlightenment to the nineteenth century Romantic thought in the tradition of the German philosophers by accepting the transcendental reality of society identified with the nation instead of individual reason. Berkes sums up Ziya Gokalp's convictions in the following manner: `As the ultimate reality of contemporary society is the nation, and as national ideals are ultimate forces orienting the behavior of the individuals, so the most urgent task for the Turks consisted of awakening as a nation in order to adapt themselves to the conditions of contemporary civilization'.(22)

Ziya Gokalp believed that it was the primary task of sociology to determine `what the Turkish people already possessed or lacked to be a modern nation'.(23) He diagnosed the major ailment of the existing cultural climate in Turkey within the dichotomous representations of the East and the West. Accordingly, he believed in the necessity of an adjustment between the two aspects of social life, namely civilization and culture. Ziya Gokalp believed that civilization simply became a matter of mechanical imitation without a cultural basis. The source of cultural values was located in the social unit that he called `nation' Hence, he tried to give momentum to the rise of the concept of a modern Turkish nation as an independent cultural unit within the confines of contemporary civilization. He placed a lot of emphasis on the concept of `nation in coming to terms with the adjustment of culture and civilization. Ziya Gokalp's analyses contained the premises of both Enlightenment and Romanticism symbolized in the concepts of civilization and culture, respectively. By the same token, the nationalism that he described contained elements of individual liberty, rational cosmopolitanism, and universalism while at the same time tended for its own self-preservation. In short, it contained elements of both a cosmopolitan French nationalism and an organic, anti-Western and anti-enlightenment German nationalism. This paradoxical synthesis, first of all, posed the national question in the Turkish context as an insoluble problem; secondly it assigned a particular role to the refined intellect in transforming the popular consciousness by an elitist project from above. The latter had paved the way to the evolution of an official Turkish identity within the confines of a peculiar Turkish nationalism that was adopted in the course of the formative years of the Turkish Republic.

(21.) Niyazi Berkes (ed.), Turkish Nationalism and Western Civilization: Selected Essays of Ziya Gokalp (Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press, Publishers, 1959),

Source:
Ayse Kadioglu, "The Paradox of Turkish Nationalism and the Construction of Official Identity." Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 32, no. 2 (April 1996)
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ayse.htm


It can easily be said that human rights is part of the non-material Western civilization that Turkish society is not interested in melding with the "spirituality of Islam"(where there is no human rights concept).

Come on Mohammed men and women, Turks! You must do better than this, masters of takiyye and hudna should know better how to construct lies. Why is someone affiliated so closely with state Bayrak like Halil even paid to post here such articles besides to create a necesary false impression for the medium of internet.
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