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[Kifeas]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

VP, let me once more re-explain to you what I have done so many times in the past. We have changed our mind and we will not veto Turkey. We will let her open and negotiate as many accession chapters as possible, and allow a good number of them to be completed, but without closing them. This means that after Turkey had done so much and most of the work towards its accession; we will freeze the closing of all the chapters and let her wait indefinitely at the door of the EU. In this way, Turkey will be faced with a very strong and critical dilemma. Should it give up and abandon the EU path as non feasible, after having done almost all the work needed towards accession; or should it take that extra step to come into its senses in relation to Cyprus, and make in this way full use of all the work and the effort that was spend towards accession.

Good idea, they will be so far advanced they may even tell the EU to go to helll or accept what will be the end result a special partnership to which you will have no say. Your leverage is not as strong as you priginally thought I have heard Erdoğan say many times we will just rename the EU criteria as the Ankara Criteria and go on our merry way.

We will have a full saying, even in the case of a special partnership.

[Viewpoint]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

VP, let me once more re-explain to you what I have done so many times in the past. We have changed our mind and we will not veto Turkey. We will let her open and negotiate as many accession chapters as possible, and allow a good number of them to be completed, but without closing them. This means that after Turkey had done so much and most of the work towards its accession; we will freeze the closing of all the chapters and let her wait indefinitely at the door of the EU. In this way, Turkey will be faced with a very strong and critical dilemma. Should it give up and abandon the EU path as non feasible, after having done almost all the work needed towards accession; or should it take that extra step to come into its senses in relation to Cyprus, and make in this way full use of all the work and the effort that was spend towards accession.

Good idea, they will be so far advanced they may even tell the EU to go to helll or accept what will be the end result a special partnership to which you will have no say. Your leverage is not as strong as you priginally thought I have heard Erdoğan say many times we will just rename the EU criteria as the Ankara Criteria and go on our merry way.

We will have a full saying, even in the case of a special partnership.

the special partnership as is, nothing to decide on as Turkey will have apllied EU "Ankara" norms and proceeded on her merry way it will be the aging EU population that will be asking for a special partnership, apllying so much pressure that you will shut up as you always do all talk no balls.

[doesntmatter]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

VP, let me once more re-explain to you what I have done so many times in the past. We have changed our mind and we will not veto Turkey. We will let her open and negotiate as many accession chapters as possible, and allow a good number of them to be completed, but without closing them. This means that after Turkey had done so much and most of the work towards its accession; we will freeze the closing of all the chapters and let her wait indefinitely at the door of the EU. In this way, Turkey will be faced with a very strong and critical dilemma. Should it give up and abandon the EU path as non feasible, after having done almost all the work needed towards accession; or should it take that extra step to come into its senses in relation to Cyprus, and make in this way full use of all the work and the effort that was spend towards accession.

Is this "great" idea yours or that of your leaders?

Instead of asking me if this idea is mine or my leaders, see what you can do as TCs to help your motherland get over this difficult situation it is confronted with, by ending behaving like spoiled and selfish children wanting to put the capricious and illegitimate “interests” of 100 thousand of you, above the real interests of a country of 100 million people.

The idea behind my question to you was to find out if you are just blowing hot air or if your leaders are really going to do what you claim.

If you don't tell me then how can you suggest that I help my motherland?

BTW, personally I think that Turkey will be doing the worst thing in it's history if it carried on it's EU path where it is clearly not wanted. But maybe their agenda is not really to join the EU in the first place.

[Get Real!]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

If I were the “TRNC” or a resident of it, I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey or the RoC but would be very concerned about this bankrupt “Turkish Cypriot state” which is not only going nowhere but dwindling very fast, but getting their priorities right is something Turkish Cypriots are not particularly good at…

[doesntmatter]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

If I were the “TRNC” or a resident of it, I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey or the RoC but would be very concerned about this bankrupt “Turkish Cypriot state” which is not only going nowhere but dwindling very fast, but getting their priorities right is something Turkish Cypriots are not particularly good at…

We are not worried GR, mama is always there to help out.

If you are waiting for to surrender to you Greeks and GCs, you will be joining the others who are still waiting in the after life.

[utu]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

If I were the “TRNC” or a resident of it, I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey or the RoC but would be very concerned about this bankrupt “Turkish Cypriot state” which is not only going nowhere but dwindling very fast, but getting their priorities right is something Turkish Cypriots are not particularly good at…

Good point, GR. The north is not showing itself to be an economically viable entity, which really is a key ingredient of independence.

[DT.]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

If I were the “TRNC” or a resident of it, I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey or the RoC but would be very concerned about this bankrupt “Turkish Cypriot state” which is not only going nowhere but dwindling very fast, but getting their priorities right is something Turkish Cypriots are not particularly good at…

Good point, GR. The north is not showing itself to be an economically viable entity, which really is a key ingredient of independence.

I don't know about that, both these guys seem to have full independence of their bodies from their heads.

[Paphitis]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didnt even get the ports opening up.

You will not need to worry about Cyprus so much and her threat to veto the opening of Turkey's EU Energy chapter. The country you should be worried about is The United States of America, who has as her fundamental interest to get your sorry arses into the EU ASAP. Soon, the USA is going to bury their foot deep up Turkey's bum, and lambast you lot for your ever so slow and pathetic progress with meeting Western and EU norms, in order to meet EU standards.

The reason why The US wants to get you lot into the EU, is because as an EU member, the US will be better able to ensure your nation does not depart from its secularist course, and turn towards Islamic Fundamentalism, a perceived threat to the west. So far the US has been able to achieve this through the Kemalist Generals. But even the US knows that this can never be permanent unless Turkey becomes an EU member, and the living standards improve substantially towards European standards. So if you think that the US is going to allow you to maintain the current policies on Cyprus and thus keep you as an EU outcast, then I am afraid you should think again. The US is only interested in keeping Turkey under control and in check, as they consider you to be of vital strategic importance. Do not think that the US is going to waste her time with your ridiculous demands, when this is getting in the way of critical strategic interests. Prepare yourselves for some very big surprises in the near future.

[miltiades]

GCs are great at making threats and acting like the top dog but they never actually carry out their threats, why don't the veto Turkey or come out and swear at the Turkish military or make statements about the doom and gloom of how Turkey is going to collapse? GCs are all talk and no balls, really pathetic when you think about it, no one has come to the rescue of the GCs do they ever try to understand why? even the EU they out al their hopes on a magical EU solution 4 years and puff nothing zilch they didn't even get the ports opening up.

If I were the “TRNC” or a resident of it, I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey or the RoC but would be very concerned about this bankrupt “Turkish Cypriot state” which is not only going nowhere but dwindling very fast, but getting their priorities right is something Turkish Cypriots are not particularly good at…

We are not worried GR, mama is always there to help out.

If you are waiting for to surrender to you Greeks and GCs, you will be joining the others who are still waiting in the after life.

May I suggest that you look around you , in the "trnc" and try counting the T/Cs , most of whom are already fed up with the occupying troops , or perhaps you may care to read AFRICA , or even some of the graffiti appearing on the walls. Let me tell you something mate , most Turkish Cypriots want NOTHING what so ever to do with the settlers , parents of boys and girls are issuing instructions not to bring one of "those" home .
Those of you who have chosen Turkey as your motherland ( this applies equally to those that chose Greece) ought to do the decent thing and go join your respective nations.

VP , having balls sometimes leads a nation into disaster , having brains accompanied by political acumen , international recognition , alliances with influential nations , Russia for one with her many thousands of subjects living in the ROC , the EU membership , all these are ingredients that eventually when blended together produce the required result, and that is Turkey out of Cyprus accompanied by all who consider her as their motherland.
LONG LIVE THE REAL CYPRUS .

[Nikitas]

I do not know about the rest of it VP, but swearing at the Turkish military is a daily occurrence by the government, the press and every single citizen of the RoC.

As for the effectiveness of each side, the RoC has done a LOT better in defeat than the TRNC and Turkey have done in victory. If this is the way you manage a military victory then you need to reexamine your management approach.

You are making the mistake of thinking you will evade the deadly embrace of your "motherland". You are fooling yourself. You have been trapped for 35 years. GCs woke up and escaped, at a heavy price, but now they are free. A few more years and it will be too late for you even if you are willing to pay the price. You wil all be gone.

It is depressing to read posts of people who rejoice in their own extinction as you and some others do.