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[Get Real!]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

[Byron]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

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[Get Real!]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

Countless UN resolutions are utterly ignored by all and sundry, the UN Charter itself has been made a mockery by successive UN Secretary Generals themselves, and particularly Annan (see second invasion of Iraq) let alone everyone else, and you are still wondering if the “Treaty of Guarantee” trashed over three decades ago, is still valid???

Go back to sleep…

[Byron]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

Countless UN resolutions are utterly ignored by all and sundry, the UN Charter itself has been made a mockery by successive UN Secretary Generals themselves, and particularly Annan (see second invasion of Iraq) let alone everyone else, and you are still wondering if the “Treaty of Guarantee” trashed over three decades ago, is still valid???

Go back to sleep…

It looks like you are already asleep good time with the continual rubbish you churn out.

[BirKibrisli]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

Countless UN resolutions are utterly ignored by all and sundry, the UN Charter itself has been made a mockery by successive UN Secretary Generals themselves, and particularly Annan (see second invasion of Iraq) let alone everyone else, and you are still wondering if the “Treaty of Guarantee” trashed over three decades ago, is still valid???

Go back to sleep…

It looks like you are already asleep good time with the continual rubbish you churn out.

Byron,
You are still to realise this: When GR! says international agreements are nil and void because the parties are not upholding certain aspects of them,you will just have to accept it..They are nil and void in GR's mind and GR's mind only...

[Get Real!]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

Countless UN resolutions are utterly ignored by all and sundry, the UN Charter itself has been made a mockery by successive UN Secretary Generals themselves, and particularly Annan (see second invasion of Iraq) let alone everyone else, and you are still wondering if the “Treaty of Guarantee” trashed over three decades ago, is still valid???

Go back to sleep…

It looks like you are already asleep good time with the continual rubbish you churn out.

Byron,
You are still to realise this: When GR! says international agreements are nil and void because the parties are not upholding certain aspects of them,you will just have to accept it..They are nil and void in GR's mind and GR's mind only...

[Byron]

All three “guarantor” powers made complete fools of themselves in 1974 by violating their agreement in the most treasonous of ways and rendering it null & void. All sections of the RoC constitution that granted them any sort of power or say has been FORFEITED so there is no longer any point in arguing any section relevant to them.

Cyprus does not have and has not had any “guarantor powers” since 1974... end of story.

ARE YOU A LAWYER GR because you write absolute rubbish. It looks like the Turkish side on this forum know more about law than you and other Greek Cypriots.

To clarify once again:

Cyprus Republic still exists ( It is a member state of the EU )
If it exists so does its original constitution and the guarantor alliance under the Zurich Agreement. The only point I may say is that in LAW Turkey "perhaps" has relinquished her guarantor power by creating an illegal state contrary to the basic articles of the constitution.

What needs to happen now is to find a solution, so make proposals on how we go forward and stop dreaming about the past.

Countless UN resolutions are utterly ignored by all and sundry, the UN Charter itself has been made a mockery by successive UN Secretary Generals themselves, and particularly Annan (see second invasion of Iraq) let alone everyone else, and you are still wondering if the “Treaty of Guarantee” trashed over three decades ago, is still valid???

Go back to sleep…

It looks like you are already asleep good time with the continual rubbish you churn out.

Byron,
You are still to realise this: When GR! says international agreements are nil and void because the parties are not upholding certain aspects of them,you will just have to accept it..They are nil and void in GR's mind and GR's mind only...

Birkibrisli,

I truly agree with your comments. I am absolutely amazed by the abuse, bad language and above all lack of respect. The objective of the forum is to discuss in an amicable way proposals for a solution to the Cyprus problem. Instead we get history lessons, contradictions, Cypriots who denounce their heritage on both sides but mainly GREEK CYPRIOTS or Cypriots in the case of GR who just abuse the TURKISH community. Even though we have a different creed or language, including political beliefs does not mean that we cannot be civilised. What is the point of trying to find a solution if we cannot even talk to each other let alone live together.

I am afraid that if these are the the people who have been tasked the responsibility of solving the CYPRUS PROBLEM, it will never happen and I am beginning to say to myself what the hell !

[Get Real!]

Here you go lads because I doubt you've ever read it...

(b) Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey

The Republic of Cyprus of the one part, and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey of the other part:-

I. Considering that the recognition and maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, as established and regulated by the basic articles of its Constitution, are in their common interest;

II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure that the provisions of the aforesaid Constitution shall be respected:
Have agreed as follows:

ARTICLE 1
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. With this intent it prohibits all activity tending to promote directly or indirectly either union or partition of the Island.

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

ARTICLE 4
The present Treaty shall enter into force on signature. The High Contracting Parties undertake to register the present Treaty at the earliest possible date with the Secretariat of the United Nations, in accordance vith the provisions of Article 102 of the Chapter.

Go ahead and have a good laugh...

[Get Real!]

...in the case of GR who just abuse the TURKISH community.

They don't need me for that... they do a fine job of it themselves on a daily basis!

[Byron]

Here you go lads because I doubt you've ever read it...

(b) Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey

The Republic of Cyprus of the one part, and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey of the other part:-

I. Considering that the recognition and maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, as established and regulated by the basic articles of its Constitution, are in their common interest;

II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure that the provisions of the aforesaid Constitution shall be respected:
Have agreed as follows:

ARTICLE 1
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. With this intent it prohibits all activity tending to promote directly or indirectly either union or partition of the Island.

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

ARTICLE 4
The present Treaty shall enter into force on signature. The High Contracting Parties undertake to register the present Treaty at the earliest possible date with the Secretariat of the United Nations, in accordance vith the provisions of Article 102 of the Chapter.

Go ahead and have a good laugh...

I AM CERTAINLY NOT LAUGHING, WHAT IS THERE TO LAUGH ABOUT !

NO NEED TO POST THE TREATY ? YOU TOLD US IT DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE BECAUSE THE GUARANTOR POWERS MADE A FOOL OF THEMSELVES IN 1974 ! LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONLY FOOL HERE SAYING ONE THING THEN A LITTLE LATER CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.