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[Byron]

Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.

The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.

Get Real,

You are wrong on this point. Only the guarantor powers can modify the ROC constitution.

[DT.]

Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.

The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.

Get Real,

You are wrong on this point. Only the guarantor powers can modify the ROC constitution.

WHAT???????

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

[Byron]

Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.

The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.

Get Real,

You are wrong on this point. Only the guarantor powers can modify the ROC constitution.

WHAT???????

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

[Get Real!]

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

The “guarantor” powers stopped being guarantors the moment… (1) Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus, (2) Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus, and (3) Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.

All three broke the agreement within the space of a month rendering it useless. You’ll note also that in practice, none of the former “guarantor” powers have had any say ever since in everyday Cyprus affairs.

[Byron]

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

The “guarantor” powers stopped being guarantors the moment… (1) Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus, (2) Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus, and (3) Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.

All three broke the agreement within the space of a month rendering it useless. You’ll note also that in practice, none of the former “guarantor” powers have had any say ever since in everyday Cyprus affairs.

As usual you have not replied with facts but with more opinions.

LEGALLY the EXISTENCE of the CYPRUS REPUBLIC is guaranteed by the GUARANTOR POWERS who established the original constitution.

Are you now advocating that the Cyprus Republic is dead from what you state above ? If so what country entered the EU?

[Get Real!]

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

The “guarantor” powers stopped being guarantors the moment… (1) Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus, (2) Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus, and (3) Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.

All three broke the agreement within the space of a month rendering it useless. You’ll note also that in practice, none of the former “guarantor” powers have had any say ever since in everyday Cyprus affairs.

As usual you have not replied with facts but with more opinions.

LEGALLY the EXISTENCE of the CYPRUS REPUBLIC is guaranteed by the GUARANTOR POWERS who established the original constitution.

Are you now advocating that the Cyprus Republic is dead from what you state above ? If so what country entered the EU?

Portions of the RoC constitution are dead & buried, including the Treaty of Guarantee for reasons I’ve already explained.

It would take an average lawyer around 10 minutes in an international court of justice to trash all four offenders of the RoC constitution because an agreement remains an agreement for as long all parties that agreed, abide by it but the moment one does not (4/5 in this case) it’s broken and any “rights” forfeited.

[paliometoxo]

Papadopoulos was buried with the FLAG of GREECE and not CYPRUS!

What the Hell!

At least we know that we, TCs, were right regarding his dream of complete ENOSIS!

True to the Death, eh!

THE TYURKS USE TWO TURKEY FLAGS IN THE NORTH NOT ONE CYPRIOT FLAG INFACT THE POLICE WONT LET ANYONE HANG THE CYPRIOT FLAG... HA JUST GOES TO SHOW THE NORTH DREAM OF PARTITION ALL ALONG,.....

[Oracle]

Papadopoulos was buried with the FLAG of GREECE and not CYPRUS!

What the Hell!

At least we know that we, TCs, were right regarding his dream of complete ENOSIS!

True to the Death, eh!

THE TYURKS USE TWO TURKEY FLAGS IN THE NORTH NOT ONE CYPRIOT FLAG INFACT THE POLICE WONT LET ANYONE HANG THE CYPRIOT FLAG... HA JUST GOES TO SHOW THE NORTH DREAM OF PARTITION ALL ALONG,.....

Yes Palio ... but the Turks are allowed to do whatever they want! Did you not realise this? That is not up for question. What they are complaining about, is our right to do what we want!

[DT.]

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

The “guarantor” powers stopped being guarantors the moment… (1) Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus, (2) Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus, and (3) Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.

All three broke the agreement within the space of a month rendering it useless. You’ll note also that in practice, none of the former “guarantor” powers have had any say ever since in everyday Cyprus affairs.

As usual you have not replied with facts but with more opinions.

LEGALLY the EXISTENCE of the CYPRUS REPUBLIC is guaranteed by the GUARANTOR POWERS who established the original constitution.

Are you now advocating that the Cyprus Republic is dead from what you state above ? If so what country entered the EU?

Byron,you don't know what you're talking about. The constitution can only be amended by the parliament and implemented by the executive of Cyprus. The judicial system in Cyprus is in charge of ruling whether any actions are unconstitutional.

The President and Vice President had even the power afforded to them by the constitution to reduce the numbers of the Greek and Turkish millitary contingents.

Where does it say that Greece, Turkey and the UK can amend our constitution!

FFS If you don't have the facts DON'T POST that you DO!!!!!

Article 182 of the constitution
Subject to paragraph 1 of this Article any provision of this Constitution may be amended, whether by way of variation, addition or repeal, as provided in paragraph 3 of this Article.

3. Such amendment shall be made by a law passed by a majority vote comprising at least two-thirds of the total number of the Representatives belonging to the Greek Community and at least two-thirds of the total number of the Representatives belonging to the Turkish Community.

The parts of the constitution that CAN be amended are amended in the manner shown above AND NOT BY THE GAURANTOR POWERS!

[Kifeas]

Point me to the passage in the constitution that says that! Are you for real?

ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! You now show me where the constitution can be changed without the agreement of the guarantor powers - if you are so sure !

The “guarantor” powers stopped being guarantors the moment… (1) Greece launched a coup against the government of Cyprus, (2) Turkey invaded and occupied Cyprus, and (3) Britain stood idle failing to prevent the two above.

All three broke the agreement within the space of a month rendering it useless. You’ll note also that in practice, none of the former “guarantor” powers have had any say ever since in everyday Cyprus affairs.

As usual you have not replied with facts but with more opinions.

LEGALLY the EXISTENCE of the CYPRUS REPUBLIC is guaranteed by the GUARANTOR POWERS who established the original constitution.

Are you now advocating that the Cyprus Republic is dead from what you state above ? If so what country entered the EU?

Legally, from the minute RoC was accepted as a UN member state, none of the provisions in the 1960 treaties that contravene with provisions of the UN Charter are valid and enforceable.
The UN Charter provides for sovereign equality among UN member states, and all those provisions in the treaties that contradict with this notion, are non-valid by virtue of article 103 of the UN Charter.