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Postby Get Real! » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:00 am

utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.


The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.
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Postby utu » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:18 am

Get Real! wrote:The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.


You think it should be ammended?
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Postby DT. » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:58 am

doesntmatter wrote:
DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Byron wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
kafenes wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
kafenes wrote:Cyprus(the main flag) and Greek flag. Just shows how the Turkish press presented the picture to create some stir.


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Mixing the Greek flag with the Cyprus flag is a clear sign that tells us that the Greeks still believe the old "Cyprus is Greek" crap we have been hearing since 1963.

TPapadopoulos was not the only "true Cypriot" who was buried wrapped up in Greek flag, so was the coffins of the recently buried missing GCs. In fact, everywhere you look in South Cyprus, you'll always see a Greek flag.


I don't disagree with you. I was making a point about the pictures in the Turkish press which misled people like MrH of JUST having the Greek flag and NOT the Cypriort.


If you read the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus - the GREEK flag as representation of the GREEK Community in Cyprus will fly along side that of the Cyprus flag. The same applies to the TURKISH Community. This is not a new thing invented by the GREEK Cypriots but in agreement with the original guarantor powers who established the Republic of Cyprus.


Then why are the GCs always complaining about the Turkish flag in the TRNC and I don't mean only the one on the Bes Parmak Daglari (5 Finger mountains)?


WHAT IS THE TRNC ?


TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey.

CORRECTION. TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey BUT NOT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD !!!


Not true. I suggest you do a little more reading.


ENlighten us. Who have you swapped embassies lately with?


We don't swat "emabassies" we swap " Rothmans". :lol:

I am still waiting for my "Cyprus history" lesson DT.


I'll start by reminding you the documents left behind by the TC minister of defense when he left in haste at the orders of Ankara. Tassos was present when one of the safes was opened finding a document detailing the instructions the tc ministers had in order to bring forward taksim as quickly as possible. Denktash and Kucuk were signatories on that document.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:46 pm

TRNC out of reach of GCs says VP, it seems to be increasingly out of reach for most TCs too. Which brings up the question who it was created for.
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Postby doesntmatter » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:12 pm

Nikitas wrote:TRNC out of reach of GCs says VP, it seems to be increasingly out of reach for most TCs too. Which brings up the question who it was created for.


Is it really? Do you mean that we TCs can't go back to the TRNC if we wanted to or that no TCs has been allowed to return since 1974?
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Postby doesntmatter » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:13 pm

DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Byron wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
kafenes wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
kafenes wrote:Cyprus(the main flag) and Greek flag. Just shows how the Turkish press presented the picture to create some stir.


Image


Mixing the Greek flag with the Cyprus flag is a clear sign that tells us that the Greeks still believe the old "Cyprus is Greek" crap we have been hearing since 1963.

TPapadopoulos was not the only "true Cypriot" who was buried wrapped up in Greek flag, so was the coffins of the recently buried missing GCs. In fact, everywhere you look in South Cyprus, you'll always see a Greek flag.


I don't disagree with you. I was making a point about the pictures in the Turkish press which misled people like MrH of JUST having the Greek flag and NOT the Cypriort.


If you read the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus - the GREEK flag as representation of the GREEK Community in Cyprus will fly along side that of the Cyprus flag. The same applies to the TURKISH Community. This is not a new thing invented by the GREEK Cypriots but in agreement with the original guarantor powers who established the Republic of Cyprus.


Then why are the GCs always complaining about the Turkish flag in the TRNC and I don't mean only the one on the Bes Parmak Daglari (5 Finger mountains)?


WHAT IS THE TRNC ?


TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey.

CORRECTION. TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey BUT NOT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD !!!


Not true. I suggest you do a little more reading.


ENlighten us. Who have you swapped embassies lately with?


We don't swat "emabassies" we swap " Rothmans". :lol:

I am still waiting for my "Cyprus history" lesson DT.


I'll start by reminding you the documents left behind by the TC minister of defense when he left in haste at the orders of Ankara. Tassos was present when one of the safes was opened finding a document detailing the instructions the tc ministers had in order to bring forward taksim as quickly as possible. Denktash and Kucuk were signatories on that document.


Is that the end of the "CYPRUS HISTORY" lesson?
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Postby doesntmatter » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:16 pm

Get Real! wrote:
utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.


The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.


Will you change it if we dare you GR?
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Postby DT. » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:15 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Byron wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
kafenes wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
kafenes wrote:Cyprus(the main flag) and Greek flag. Just shows how the Turkish press presented the picture to create some stir.


Image


Mixing the Greek flag with the Cyprus flag is a clear sign that tells us that the Greeks still believe the old "Cyprus is Greek" crap we have been hearing since 1963.

TPapadopoulos was not the only "true Cypriot" who was buried wrapped up in Greek flag, so was the coffins of the recently buried missing GCs. In fact, everywhere you look in South Cyprus, you'll always see a Greek flag.


I don't disagree with you. I was making a point about the pictures in the Turkish press which misled people like MrH of JUST having the Greek flag and NOT the Cypriort.


If you read the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus - the GREEK flag as representation of the GREEK Community in Cyprus will fly along side that of the Cyprus flag. The same applies to the TURKISH Community. This is not a new thing invented by the GREEK Cypriots but in agreement with the original guarantor powers who established the Republic of Cyprus.


Then why are the GCs always complaining about the Turkish flag in the TRNC and I don't mean only the one on the Bes Parmak Daglari (5 Finger mountains)?


WHAT IS THE TRNC ?


TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey.

CORRECTION. TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey BUT NOT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD !!!


Not true. I suggest you do a little more reading.


ENlighten us. Who have you swapped embassies lately with?


We don't swat "emabassies" we swap " Rothmans". :lol:

I am still waiting for my "Cyprus history" lesson DT.


I'll start by reminding you the documents left behind by the TC minister of defense when he left in haste at the orders of Ankara. Tassos was present when one of the safes was opened finding a document detailing the instructions the tc ministers had in order to bring forward taksim as quickly as possible. Denktash and Kucuk were signatories on that document.


Is that the end of the "CYPRUS HISTORY" lesson?


I'm giving it to you in small doses so that you can take it in. I know how easily you lose focus on these things.

Are you aware of the level of planning for taksim and when it began?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:42 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Easy… because the very constitution that allowed you to fly the Turkish flag has been declared null & void, abandoned, and even replaced by an illegal one by your very community!

Technically, you have forfeited ALL your rights granted under the RoC and would now have to seek permission for re-entry, therefore anything and everything you do is technically illegal.

Not even Turkey one of the guarantors, recognizes the RoC and subsequently any rights granted to you under it.

I’ll now give you a free piece of advice… never-ever attempt to tackle the CyProb from a legal standpoint like you’ve done above if you are Turkish Cypriot because you’ll lose every time.


The trouble is that the RoCy government still recognizes the constitution of 1960 as the supreme law of Cyprus. That means that the right of Turkish Cypriots to display their flag is still a legal constitutional safeguard... though I think it would be a very brave (or foolish) Turkish Cypriot living south of the Green Line to display the Turkish National Flag...

The RoC government can legally modify the RoC constitution to include or exclude anything Turkish Cypriot as they see fit. The fact that they haven’t done so is for diplomatic reasons and certainly not legal.


Will you change it if we dare you GR?

I don't know and I don't care about your "dares"! :roll:
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Postby Byron » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:43 pm

DT. wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Byron wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Byron wrote:
kafenes wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
kafenes wrote:Cyprus(the main flag) and Greek flag. Just shows how the Turkish press presented the picture to create some stir.


Image


Mixing the Greek flag with the Cyprus flag is a clear sign that tells us that the Greeks still believe the old "Cyprus is Greek" crap we have been hearing since 1963.

TPapadopoulos was not the only "true Cypriot" who was buried wrapped up in Greek flag, so was the coffins of the recently buried missing GCs. In fact, everywhere you look in South Cyprus, you'll always see a Greek flag.


I don't disagree with you. I was making a point about the pictures in the Turkish press which misled people like MrH of JUST having the Greek flag and NOT the Cypriort.


If you read the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus - the GREEK flag as representation of the GREEK Community in Cyprus will fly along side that of the Cyprus flag. The same applies to the TURKISH Community. This is not a new thing invented by the GREEK Cypriots but in agreement with the original guarantor powers who established the Republic of Cyprus.


Then why are the GCs always complaining about the Turkish flag in the TRNC and I don't mean only the one on the Bes Parmak Daglari (5 Finger mountains)?


WHAT IS THE TRNC ?


TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey.

CORRECTION. TRNC = Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus recognized by Turkey BUT NOT BY THE REST OF THE WORLD !!!


Not true. I suggest you do a little more reading.


What is not true , it is not clear from your English? Are you saying TURKEY does not recognize the TRNC !
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