Bananiot wrote:Simitis was instrumental, but in Cyprus we had real statemen then. Klerides and Vasiliou.
The three of you more than qualify as…
doesntmatter wrote:Bananiot wrote:Papadopoulos will be judged by history, as they say. He played a terrible game in 2003 and he lost, causing serious damage to Cyprus. He thought that he could accept the UN proposals, not because he liked them, but because he was sure the Turks were playing a communications game, when all the signals from Turkey were pointing to a serious change of policy. He thought that Denktash will do the normal thing and walk away from the negotiations and we would surface unscathed, as it happened on numerous occasions previously.
Then, the unthinkable for Papadopoulos happened. Turkey sacrificed Denktash and went along with the UN. Papadopoulos was left stranded. In his confusion he let Turkey know of his real intentions, when he invited Serdar to his home to discuss postponement of the referendum. Denktash, who like Papadopoulos was also a strong opponent of the Plan, immediately changed line and asked his supporters to vote at will. Papadopoulos was defeated convincingly and his subsequent actions led to the stripping of Cyprus of most of her friends, even the traditional ones.
Our accession to the EU has nothing to do with Papadopoulos. Klerides, Simitis and Vassiliou are the people we should thank, if indeed we want to express gratitude to anyone for our entry into the exclusive club. Those who believe that all it took Simitis and Greece to convince the EU to accept us with our problem unsolved, please climb down from the clouds (or just stop kidding yourselves).
Papadopoulos is now dead but his legasy will linger on, long after this island is divided, for he allowed a real chance to be lost, or as Simitis said, he allowed the train of history to pass by, without stopping.
I have no sympathy for his policies, recent ones and old ones.
Thank you for your honesty Bananiot but one thing I have to correct you on.
TP did not allow "a real chance to be lost", he "forced" it on to the GCs with [real] tears running down his cheeks live on TV right after he tricked the EU.
Get Real! wrote:Viewpoint wrote:May he go to hell for the sins he has committed or heaven if he was indeed sinless. Good riddens to bad rubbish.
May the little meat dangling between VP’s legs drop from gangrene and feed a starving mongrel…
wallace wrote:doesntmatter wrote:Bananiot wrote:Papadopoulos will be judged by history, as they say. He played a terrible game in 2003 and he lost, causing serious damage to Cyprus. He thought that he could accept the UN proposals, not because he liked them, but because he was sure the Turks were playing a communications game, when all the signals from Turkey were pointing to a serious change of policy. He thought that Denktash will do the normal thing and walk away from the negotiations and we would surface unscathed, as it happened on numerous occasions previously.
Then, the unthinkable for Papadopoulos happened. Turkey sacrificed Denktash and went along with the UN. Papadopoulos was left stranded. In his confusion he let Turkey know of his real intentions, when he invited Serdar to his home to discuss postponement of the referendum. Denktash, who like Papadopoulos was also a strong opponent of the Plan, immediately changed line and asked his supporters to vote at will. Papadopoulos was defeated convincingly and his subsequent actions led to the stripping of Cyprus of most of her friends, even the traditional ones.
Our accession to the EU has nothing to do with Papadopoulos. Klerides, Simitis and Vassiliou are the people we should thank, if indeed we want to express gratitude to anyone for our entry into the exclusive club. Those who believe that all it took Simitis and Greece to convince the EU to accept us with our problem unsolved, please climb down from the clouds (or just stop kidding yourselves).
Papadopoulos is now dead but his legasy will linger on, long after this island is divided, for he allowed a real chance to be lost, or as Simitis said, he allowed the train of history to pass by, without stopping.
I have no sympathy for his policies, recent ones and old ones.
Thank you for your honesty Bananiot but one thing I have to correct you on.
TP did not allow "a real chance to be lost", he "forced" it on to the GCs with [real] tears running down his cheeks live on TV right after he tricked the EU.
He didn't trick nobody you plonker.....everybody knew his political standing....in that matter he was tricked in borgerstock were they tried to screw the Cypriot people ones more by throwing more demands on the table......you should thank him....he saved Turkey=Fascist state a coup which would have taken place if the AP would have come through!
doesntmatter wrote:wallace wrote:doesntmatter wrote:Bananiot wrote:Papadopoulos will be judged by history, as they say. He played a terrible game in 2003 and he lost, causing serious damage to Cyprus. He thought that he could accept the UN proposals, not because he liked them, but because he was sure the Turks were playing a communications game, when all the signals from Turkey were pointing to a serious change of policy. He thought that Denktash will do the normal thing and walk away from the negotiations and we would surface unscathed, as it happened on numerous occasions previously.
Then, the unthinkable for Papadopoulos happened. Turkey sacrificed Denktash and went along with the UN. Papadopoulos was left stranded. In his confusion he let Turkey know of his real intentions, when he invited Serdar to his home to discuss postponement of the referendum. Denktash, who like Papadopoulos was also a strong opponent of the Plan, immediately changed line and asked his supporters to vote at will. Papadopoulos was defeated convincingly and his subsequent actions led to the stripping of Cyprus of most of her friends, even the traditional ones.
Our accession to the EU has nothing to do with Papadopoulos. Klerides, Simitis and Vassiliou are the people we should thank, if indeed we want to express gratitude to anyone for our entry into the exclusive club. Those who believe that all it took Simitis and Greece to convince the EU to accept us with our problem unsolved, please climb down from the clouds (or just stop kidding yourselves).
Papadopoulos is now dead but his legasy will linger on, long after this island is divided, for he allowed a real chance to be lost, or as Simitis said, he allowed the train of history to pass by, without stopping.
I have no sympathy for his policies, recent ones and old ones.
Thank you for your honesty Bananiot but one thing I have to correct you on.
TP did not allow "a real chance to be lost", he "forced" it on to the GCs with [real] tears running down his cheeks live on TV right after he tricked the EU.
He didn't trick nobody you plonker.....everybody knew his political standing....in that matter he was tricked in borgerstock were they tried to screw the Cypriot people ones more by throwing more demands on the table......you should thank him....he saved Turkey=Fascist state a coup which would have taken place if the AP would have come through!
Yes wallace, I am thankful, if it wasn't for his crocodile tears the TRNC would be no more today and we TCs would have been forced to learn Greek and adjust to live in a Greek state.
Your problem is that he made a real "plonker" out of you GCs, his actions saved my country and the TRNC still stands but you have lost the support and sympathy of your friends who stood by you all these years. Thank you TPapadopoulos.
doesntmatter wrote:Yes wallace, I am thankful, if it wasn't for his crocodile tears the TRNC would be no more today and we TCs would have been forced to learn Greek and adjust to live in a Greek state.
Your problem is that he made a real "plonker" out of you GCs, his actions saved my country and the TRNC still stands but you have lost the support and sympathy of your friends who stood by you all these years. Thank you TPapadopoulos.
Get Real! wrote:doesntmatter wrote:Yes wallace, I am thankful, if it wasn't for his crocodile tears the TRNC would be no more today and we TCs would have been forced to learn Greek and adjust to live in a Greek state.
Your problem is that he made a real "plonker" out of you GCs, his actions saved my country and the TRNC still stands but you have lost the support and sympathy of your friends who stood by you all these years. Thank you TPapadopoulos.
It goes to show how full of shit you are... the only reason you hate him yet here pretend he did you a favor, is because he destroyed your treasonous little Turkish plans.
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