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[wallace]

some bedtime reading 4 u:

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/docs/Erdogan1.pdf

SPEECH BY PRIME MINISTER RECEP
TAYYİP ERDOĞAN
“WHY THE EU NEEDS TURKEY”

That was 4 years ago you plonker.....why don't you read the latest EU reports. The EU doesn't need a Turkey.....just keep on dreaming about the EU when sleeping tonight

[Get Real!]

some bedtime reading 4 u:

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/docs/Erdogan1.pdf

SPEECH BY PRIME MINISTER RECEP
TAYYİP ERDOĞAN
“WHY THE EU NEEDS TURKEY”

Thanks but we're not interested in what Erdogan has to say, but I noticed you were bragging earlier about Cyprus not having “guts” to block Turkey yet it already happened more than once so where have you been?

Cyprus blocks opening of first chapter in EU-Turkey talks
http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... rope38.htm


Cyprus blocks EU pact on Turkey negotiations
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/a ... rent_id=21

Cyprus went on to convince Europe to block another 8 chapters of Turkey’s process.

[CopperLine]

I don't understand you Paphitis : you open a thread by showing how RoC could (and would have the power) to veto Turkey's EU accession bid, but you then conclude "THE TIME FOR TURKEY TO CHOOSE BETWEEN EAST OR WEST IS FAST APPROACHING!" Surely you've got that wrong : whether RoC uses its veto is a choice that RoC makes, not Turkey. You should have concluded your posting, THE TIME FOR CYPRUS TO CHOOSE WHETHER TURKEY TURNS EAST OR WEST IS FAST APPROACHING!

If RoC exercises its veto against Turkey's membership of the EU then Turkey will be forced to turn east, no choice. And the euphemism 'turn east' means, we all know, moving into the embrace of Islam. The supreme irony may well be that it is RoC which forces Turkey away from a secular European democratic aspiration to a religious and authoritarian future.

As I've said before on this forum the choice is straightforward : you can have Turkey inside the tent pissing out, or Turkey outside the tent pissing in.

To veto or not to veto - let RoC decide.

[paaul12]

Now I don’t know how to make this any simpler, for your simple minds:


CYPRUS WILL NEVER EVER BE IN A POSITION TO VETO TURKEY

Now you can have your little dream, and huf and puff all you want, but the reality is, you are a little fish in a big pond, and if you want to survive, just do what the big boys tell you to do. You are in the EU now and it is the EU who will decide what they want, and they want Turkey in the EU.

Just look at Ireland, they said no to the constitution, the EU didn’t want them to say no, so the EU tells Ireland to vote again, this time they will say yes, if they don’t, they will have to vote again, and again, until they do what the EU wants.

That’s life in the EU, the little guys have to do what the big boys want, you can pretend as much as you want, that this is not the case, but we all know at the end of the day, you will do as you are told


Wallace you r the plonker, do you think I don’t know that article was written 4 years ago, all I said was it was some bed time reading for you idiots so you could hopefully see how it is in the real world

[Get Real!]

If RoC exercises its veto against Turkey's membership of the EU then Turkey will be forced to turn east, no choice.

I’ve never agreed with the seemingly popular notion that Turkey must choose one side or the other. Turkey doesn’t have to do anything but continue having lukewarm relationships with both east and west.

Even if Turkey was to be granted EU membership tomorrow they wouldn’t last long in the EU because Turkey’s Islamic culture would not tolerate the levels of interference the EU has in store for them.

[Get Real!]

Now I don’t know how to make this any simpler, for your simple minds:

CYPRUS WILL NEVER EVER BE IN A POSITION TO VETO TURKEY

Now you can have your little dream, and huf and puff all you want, but the reality is, you are a little fish in a big pond, and if you want to survive, jus do what he big boys tell you to do. You are in the EU now and it is the EU who will decide what they want, and they want Turkey in the EU.

Just look at Ireland, they said no to the constitution, the EU didn’t want them to say no, so the EU tells Ireland to vote again, this time they will say yes, if they don’t, they will have to vote again, and again, until they do what the EU wants.

That’s life in the EU, the little guys have to do what the big boys want, you can pretend as much as you want, that this is not the case, but we all know at the end of the day, you will do as you are told

Cyprus has been in a position to veto whatever she sees fit from the very first month of her EU membership so I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

As for the rest of your post it’s just a load of childish crap so just go to bed…

[CopperLine]

What GR ? Are you suggesting that, for example, Greek Orthodox 'culture' is more accepting or tolerant of 'EU interference', or that Russian Orthodox or Lutheran 'culture' is more forgiving of EU directives ?

On what grounds do you speculate that 'Islamic culture would not tolerate the levels of interference the EU has in store for them' ? Why not the opposite ?

[wallace]

Now I don’t know how to make this any simpler, for your simple minds:


CYPRUS WILL NEVER EVER BE IN A POSITION TO VETO TURKEY

Now you can have your little dream, and huf and puff all you want, but the reality is, you are a little fish in a big pond, and if you want to survive, just do what the big boys tell you to do. You are in the EU now and it is the EU who will decide what they want, and they want Turkey in the EU.

Just look at Ireland, they said no to the constitution, the EU didn’t want them to say no, so the EU tells Ireland to vote again, this time they will say yes, if they don’t, they will have to vote again, and again, until they do what the EU wants.

That’s life in the EU, the little guys have to do what the big boys want, you can pretend as much as you want, that this is not the case, but we all know at the end of the day, you will do as you are told


Wallace you r the plonker, do you think I don’t know that article was written 4 years ago, all I said was it was some bed time reading for you idiots so you could hopefully see how it is in the real world

The real world is now........the present.....not 4 years ago and not 35 years ago......so wake up! Uhh...I mean go to bed and keep on dreaming

[Get Real!]

What GR ? Are you suggesting that, for example, Greek Orthodox 'culture' is more accepting or tolerant of 'EU interference', or that Russian Orthodox or Lutheran 'culture' is more forgiving of EU directives ?

On what grounds do you speculate that 'Islamic culture would not tolerate the levels of interference the EU has in store for them' ? Why not the opposite ?

I said Islamic culture not just religion. The EU conducts checks for a wide range of things over the period of an average year. For example, the EU would regularly expect Turkey to demonstrate equal opportunities for women and homosexuals and that would be the challenge of the century for a country like Turkey…

I think anyone who reckons that Turkey can snuggly fit into the EU ideal doesn’t know anything about Islamic countries and/or has taken Turkey’s “secular” touting too seriously.

[Paphitis]

I don't understand you Paphitis : you open a thread by showing how RoC could (and would have the power) to veto Turkey's EU accession bid, but you then conclude "THE TIME FOR TURKEY TO CHOOSE BETWEEN EAST OR WEST IS FAST APPROACHING!" Surely you've got that wrong : whether RoC uses its veto is a choice that RoC makes, not Turkey. You should have concluded your posting, THE TIME FOR CYPRUS TO CHOOSE WHETHER TURKEY TURNS EAST OR WEST IS FAST APPROACHING!

Greece and Cyprus have already decided to be supportive of Turkey's EU entry provided certain issues are rectified. The title of this thread is completely correct, as it is Turkey's decision on whether it really does want to join the EU. The Kemalist Generals might be very lukewarm at present, as Turkey's progress towards EU membership is also dependant on social and democratic reforms which would result in them losing some of their grip on the state. But I have also eluded to Turkey not having much choice as to whether it will choose between East or West. I have stated that there are massive Strategic interests which will eventually see Turkey enter the EU. This offcourse will result in massive concessions being made which will also result in a solution in Cyprus. I have a feeling that Cyprus is such a small price to pay, when compared to the long term stability and prosperity of Turkey, and ensuring the country does not become a religious and authoritarian Islamic State which could be anti west.

I firmly believe that there some very powerful forces at play. It will be very interesting to see how all this pans out.

If RoC exercises its veto against Turkey's membership of the EU then Turkey will be forced to turn east, no choice. And the euphemism 'turn east' means, we all know, moving into the embrace of Islam. The supreme irony may well be that it is RoC which forces Turkey away from a secular European democratic aspiration to a religious and authoritarian future.

Greece and Cyprus have stated many times that they support Turkey's EU entry, and will not obstruct her progress, provided certain issues are resolved. Turkey knows full well what these issues are. Turkey may be recalcitrant in the short term, but this cannot go on for much longer. I don’t believe that Turkey can just turn her back on the EU. I will go further and predict that Turkey may well be a hostage to her very own EU bid, where others much more powerful than all of us have vested interests in getting Turkey into the EU.

As I've said before on this forum the choice is straightforward : you can have Turkey inside the tent pissing out, or Turkey outside the tent pissing in.

To veto or not to veto - let RoC decide.

I think you are being very silly here. The RoC could not possibly support Turkey's EU entry, until Turkey withdraws from Cyprus and normalises bilateral relations. On the face of it, the choice is purely Turkey's. But as I said, this may not be entirely correct either. I suspect the US will play some role behind the scenes, along with the UK.

Once there is a solution in Cyprus, then it is obvious that both Greece and Cyprus would rather see Turkey become an EU member. This has been said many times.