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[MrH]

Guarantees and EU are “Everything!”

Some light appears to have delightfully shed upon the true stumbling point in the search for an amicable Cyprus Solution.

Both leaders have expressed their ultimate DIFFERENCES. Where, the Turkish Cypriots believe that Turkey must be a Guarantor country of the new Cyprus unified state, while the Greek Cypriots believe that being a member of the EU is enough and the section involving Guarantorship can not be included in a Cyprus solution!

However, and according to “the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat”, as Turkey is not part of the European Union, on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, the EU can not be considered an acceptable Guarantor – not until at least Turkey becomes a FULL EU Member state.


Well, there we have it – Deadlock!

What's next?
Is that it?

[humanist]

well ain't that a slap in the face by Talat. He tells the people that he hopes to join that they ain't good enuff and that he wants Turkey to protect his arse.


Get a grip you little muppet .......

[Oracle]

Well this sounds like Turkey is admitting desperation by these blackmailing efforts to join the EU ... as usual ignoring the rightful path of improving her conduct, and instead, choosing to do what she does best ... threaten and demand!

[MrH]

Oracle, Humanist,

So what next then? How can we overcome this major stumbling block? Clearly Talat will not accept a deal without Turkish Guarantorship, and Christofias will never accept Talat's suggestion.

Due to the lack of reaction from the EU to the TCs after the Annan Plan in at least allowing the TCs to trade freely - keep its promises, do you not think that Talat may have a point?

Or

Do you believe that Christofias' ULTIMATE reason for trusting the EU as a Guarantor entity will truly intervene on an equal footing if bi-communal fighting should occur - or, is all this just political rubbish?

What could possibly be a compromise, as we all know that Chris and Talat are ABLE to agree on most of the other parameters, but clearly not on this particular issue?

We must all realise that particular section of the talks could either set the ball in motion for a real compromise deal, for the first time, or end the process indefinitely!

[miltiades]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

[Paphitis]

Oracle, Humanist,

So what next then? How can we overcome this major stumbling block? Clearly Talat will not accept a deal without Turkish Guarantorship, and Christofias will never accept Talat's suggestion.

Due to the lack of reaction from the EU to the TCs after the Annan Plan in at least allowing the TCs to trade freely - keep its promises, do you not think that Talat may have a point?

Or

Do you believe that Christofias' ULTIMATE reason for trusting the EU as a Guarantor entity will truly intervene on an equal footing if bi-communal fighting should occur - or, is all this just political rubbish?

What could possibly be a compromise, as we all know that Chris and Talat are ABLE to agree on most of the other parameters, but clearly not on this particular issue?

We must all realise that particular section of the talks could either set the ball in motion for a real compromise deal, for the first time, or end the process indefinitely!

I think the issue of Turkish Guaranteeship will become a secondary issue when Turkey gets a real kick up its bum by the US, for her lack of EU accession progress. There are much bigger issues at play, and soon the world energy crisis is going to supersede any Turkish interests in the big picture.

Have a nice day.

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[Paphitis]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Oh right... So let’s just make it easy for Turkey, by given her the legal framework to meddle in Cypriot affairs, and even intervene militarily if heaven forbid she is once again given an opportunity to do so, just because Cyprus once again experiences some Constitutional Instability which can even occur in the most stable of nations.

You people are unbelievable!

[MrH]

Miltiades and Paphitis,

Good points, but I believe that Turkey would never react in a conflict unless it has some kind of legal right to - that was the part of the Zurich agreement that Makarios specifically did not want included!

Also, would you think that the Energy crisis would actually empower a country like Turkey which is considered an important "Hub"?

And, finally, Do you not believe the U.S will urge the EU, as opposed to Turkey, on certain let's say "Turkish Sensitive" issue - like perhaps the Cyprus problem and admitting a Divided island. It depends on the angle the U.S take. The U.S could strongly advise the EU that the current Cyprus issue (no solution), or its continuation after the Annan Plan, is actually the fault of the EU for hastily and strangely desperately admit Cyprus prior to a solution? Is this not a possible scenario?

[miltiades]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Oh right... So let’s just make it easy for Turkey, by given her the legal framework to meddle in Cypriot affairs, and even intervene militarily if heaven forbid she is once again given an opportunity to do so, just because Cyprus once again experiences some Constitutional Instability which can even occur in the most stable of nations.

You people are unbelievable!

Paphitis , read the post again mate , you have completely misread it !

[miltiades]

Miltiades and Paphitis,

Good points, but I believe that Turkey would never react in a conflict unless it has some kind of legal right to - that was the part of the Zurich agreement that Makarios specifically did not want included!

Also, would you think that the Energy crisis would actually empower a country like Turkey which is considered an important "Hub"?

And, finally, Do you not believe the U.S will urge the EU, as opposed to Turkey, on certain let's say "Turkish Sensitive" issue - like perhaps the Cyprus problem and admitting a Divided island. It depends on the angle the U.S take. The U.S could strongly advise the EU that the current Cyprus issue (no solution), or its continuation after the Annan Plan, is actually the fault of the EU for hastily and strangely desperately admit Cyprus prior to a solution? Is this not a possible scenario?

Mr H , the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people , and this includes a respectable number of T/Cs , do not wish to accept that a foreign invader and an occupier of a part of their island can be justifiably be given rights of guarantor . Frankly my dear Turkey IS NOT trusted by the huge majority of Cypriots.
Cyprus is and will remain an independent island , the home of all Cypriots , and we Cypriots have had a bellyful of Turkey masquerading as a saviour of the T/Cs , she is nothing of the sort , I would also include Greece here by also calling her a foreign power involved in the Cyprus problem .
Enough is enough , the Cypriot people want independence from either of the two foreign powers .